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     Bleak_widow Message Board Member Username: Bleak_widow Post Number: 460 Registered: 11-2010  |
http://www.policeone.com/community-policing/articles/5768257-Chicago-gun-buyback-nets-5-500-weapons Jean Jones, 64, unwrapped her handgun delicately from a towel she pulled out of a large brown purse. It was her late husband's weapon, and she had never handled it before. "That's a killer right there. That small gun," said Chicago Police Sgt. Kevin Johnson, a member of the citywide Anti-Gun Enforcement Team. "It's a North American Arms .22 caliber," Johnson said. "That bullet is so small it will bounce. It will travel and you'll have internal bleeding going throughout your body." Jones was shocked to learn how dangerous the tiny weapon she brought in was. She kept it in the back of a closet in her home. But she has two grandchildren, and she's glad to have it out of the house. "I never knew how to use that. Oh my God the safety didn't even work," Jones said. "I would have never used that." Jones winced as Officer Sean Hayes, an instructor at the Chicago Police Academy, tried to unlodge bullets from the gun. The .22 caliber bullets were jammed inside. He even tried using a hammer to remove them, but couldn't. ___________________________________________ Hammering on it to remove the bullets? The safety doesn't even work? These cops need firearms training. ____________________________________________ | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2873 Registered: 09-2009  |
He was trying to drive the cartridges out from the back of the cylinder. After granny hobbled off, Johnson dropped the small revolver in his pocket and said "I will make sure this ultra-dangerous weapon never is on the streets again.". | ||
| Dracothered Message Board Member Username: Dracothered Post Number: 66 Registered: 05-2012  |
I think it is such a shame that they do these gun turn ins. It is just another way to brain wash the public that guns are dangerous and we are doing you a favor by disarming you. | ||
| M82a1pa Message Board Member Username: M82a1pa Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2011  |
Not being a LEO, it wouldn't let me post a comment: Officer Hayes appears not to know much about NAA pistols. They are all single action and cannot be fired unless manually cocked. The hammer should be 'parked' on the safety notch. The rounds cannot be removed unless the cylinder is removed from the firearm. I'm embarrassed for him. | ||
| Wyn Message Board Member Username: Wyn Post Number: 606 Registered: 02-2009 |
I live outside of Orlando and they have a gun buyback every August. I turn in my old non-working guns that are beyond repair. I currently have 4 guns that I will be turning in this August for 4 $50 gift cards for Wal-Mart. The gun buy backs are not all bad they give you a chance to get rid of your unwanted guns that are not working in exchange for gift cards. I wouldn't turn in my working guns except I had a p.o.s. Rohm that I turned in once. | ||
| Gunpacker Message Board Member Username: Gunpacker Post Number: 92 Registered: 05-2012  |
Makes you want to do a gun buyback yourself, keep the ones that work and havent been stolen, then make a little money giving the junk to the PD buyback idiots. | ||
| Pietro Message Board Member Username: Pietro Post Number: 135 Registered: 08-2009 |
[I'm embarrassed for him.] I'm not - He's a typically rabid anti-gun jerk (asshat), sometimes also found in uniform. I'd opine that his service revolver never left it's holster, save for qualifying - and maybe not even for that. . | ||
| Coopercdrkey Message Board Member Username: Coopercdrkey Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2011  |
Hey, Pietro- The man is an LEO. He may have come up through the academy having never seen anything smaller than a 9 mm. NAA's are niche guns. We all know how to load, unload, and place on safe. Do you really contend that all those accomplishments are obvious to a non-afficianado? You have absolutely no first hand knowledge of this Officer's qualifications or political orientation. Personally, I'm with Uncle Lee.... | ||
| Antares_b Message Board Member Username: Antares_b Post Number: 166 Registered: 07-2010 |
You might find this article about the Chicago gun buyback amusing: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/daniel-zimmerman/guns-save-life-uses-chicago-buyback-send-kids-nra-gun-camp/ | ||
| Louiethelump Message Board Member Username: Louiethelump Post Number: 3761 Registered: 12-2010  |
Boy oh boy, THAT will piss em off!!! LOL!!! | ||
| Dracothered Message Board Member Username: Dracothered Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2012 |
Cool something that was useful that came out of one of these buy back programs... | ||
| Millsriver Message Board Member Username: Millsriver Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2012  |
I see no problem with gun-buy-back programs. Gets a lot of "stolen" firearms off the street. Obviously also gets some firearms out of the hands of people who should not have them for lack of knowledge. Serious shooters are well served and not harmed in anyway I can see. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2881 Registered: 09-2009 |
To me it is like seeing a big herd of cattle going off the edge of a cliff. I am not going to go hungry because of it, but is one heck of a waste of something someone could have used. There will be more, but those are gone for ever. | ||
| Louiethelump Message Board Member Username: Louiethelump Post Number: 3791 Registered: 12-2010 |
Millsriver: as long as you as a taxpayer don't mind paying the money out to buy scrap at 100 dollars a chunk..... I think they should start buybacks for auto alternators and pay 100 dollars each for them too.... as long as the tax money is coming from YOUR community; not mine. Note in the article folks came from out of state to sell their 10 dollar junk for 100 dollars each.... | ||
| Ebg Message Board Member Username: Ebg Post Number: 25 Registered: 09-2010 |
I know I will ge flamed for this. When it comes to guns and ammo LEO's are the dumbest groupe of people on earth at lest the ones I have dealt with. EBG | ||
| Cavscout Message Board Member Username: Cavscout Post Number: 91 Registered: 03-2011  |
No argument when it comes to rusted relics, stolen, crime related, and any other description that makes them useless to us "serious shooters". My sorrow is hearing about Granddad's or other deceased loved one's firearms turned in because the descendant has no interest. They are all destroyed regardless of collectable or historic value. :o( Just imagine the pinnacle firearm of your dreams being carelessly tossed on the conveyor leading to the smelter! | ||
| Cavscout Message Board Member Username: Cavscout Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2011 |
It's actually not so much being dumb, even though they are out there, it's more a matter of detached interest when it comes to guns... leaving those to the same media influences as the rest of the public. I had worked with several officers that viewed their service sidearm the same as their badge and necktie when getting dressed for duty. Officers with 15-20 years that would check the rounds in their revolver once a month to be sure they weren't turning green! These are the guys you will see being quoted saying "You don't need an AK-47 to hunt deer." and other familiar slogans. | ||
| Louiethelump Message Board Member Username: Louiethelump Post Number: 3792 Registered: 12-2010 |
The department where I retired was right at 100 officers,(about 106 when I left) so is a good percentage place. We had about 3 officers who were "gun people", about 4 or 5 that were hunters, about 40 that were competent with their weapons they used in the job, another 40 that were marginal on any given day due to lack of interest, and about 8-10 that were incompetent gun wise and had to be coached and dragged and pushed through gun training that had to be repeated just to get them to minimum standards. Remember that cops are a cross section of the population. do you think the general population is any more competent? They are not. It is just that you folks on this board are in that 3 or 4 percent that are gun people. In a police officer's job, the gun is about 1/10 of one percent of the job. When you are feeling all uppity about your gun skills compared to the average officer, try competing with them in doing an investigation and obtaining evidence that will hold up in court without violating anyone's rights. Or try dealing with a victimized child or woman and get them to tell you in detail what happened to them so that you may actually do something with the case, while not breaking down yourself as some child details what some adult did to them. (you DO know that you have to take it all in, straight faced, and show no sorrow or judgement or the child sees that as judgement and stops talking, right? Try it some time) That is what they do along with about 85% of their job being social work and attempting to deal with a whining, complaining, and stupid population who bases what they expect from cops by what they see on television. Most officers could not care less about guns other than they don't want to be shot by one. give em a break. They are not professional shooters. They carry the gun to defend themselves while they do probably the most complex, demanding. and diversified job in our culture. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 2342 Registered: 10-2010 |
My child knows what a gun is and not to play with them. She also knows they can be a lot of fun when used properly. I further think that toy guns are an acceptable means of play. And this is where the NAA mini comes into play. I remind my child on a regular basis that the mini is a REAL gun and not just downsized toy and she is 12. Even to children familiar with guns and gun safety a mini may not light off the same bulbs and flags when they see it. It looks a lot like a toy (I do not mean that negatively). Of all the guns a person unfamiliar with, unwilling to properly secure, and unwilling to properly educate children could own a mini might be near the top of the list. If they don't want to take the responsibility of owning it or selling it (some people have a moral hang-up with selling "weapons") let them utilize these programs - its better than them trying to dispose of it themselves. I have no problem with these programs. As others have said its not like the manufacturers will not make more. Manufacturers making more (and thus continuing production) is a positive thing. If all we did was trade guns already in existence we would never get new ones. Taking a few out of the pool through this programs may be a good thing in the long run. | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1326 Registered: 09-2011  |
Well said, It's just too bad there's incompetence in every bunch, but, that goes for most any group of professionals including doctors teachers, etc | ||
| Top_dog Message Board Member Username: Top_dog Post Number: 523 Registered: 02-2009 |
I retired as an LEO after 40 yrs on the job back in '08. Being that I was the firearms instructor for all those years I came up with the basic conclusion: About 10% of the officers I could put any weapon in their hands and walk away knowing that they could use them properly as they were gun people/hunters. About 50% I could train and be fairly confident that they could maintain some of that training until next session. As for the last 40%,that is where we get the accidental discharges,lost weapons,and Good Lord only what knows next. They would probably look at any NAA Mini much the same way a mule would look at a wrist watch. Those are the same clowns that try to dodge training and when they do finally show up,they think it is a joke. It is a common misconception that being a police officer makes you an expert in firearms,nothing could be further from the truth. This is not meant to slight the hard working,dedicated LEOs out there,they do a fantastic job. Top Dog | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 3224 Registered: 02-2009  |
its impossible to be familiar never mind competant with every firearm that a police officer will run into eventually in the field. NAA minis being one of the more esoteric guns for loading and unloading and rendering safe in the safety notches. As taxpayers most of you complain already about the cost of your police forces. Are you willing to pay for the training required to bring all police officers up to the level of being an expert in all makes and models of firearms? EBG if you are going to call a group dumb you might want to lean how to spell group (groupe)and least (lest) correctly before you throw those type disparagements around. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 2344 Registered: 10-2010 |
Joe you bring up a point about the NAA and loading (and unloading). I am certain that more than one of use have watched as a seller in a gun store struggles with showing a customer how one loads. I can think of at least two times where I have reassembled the gun after the seller took it apart. | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 3227 Registered: 02-2009 |
i didnt buy a mini for awhile after i saw an owner struggling with unloading and loading. it was something i was totally unfamiliar with and looked unsafe to me at the time. i had a guardian at that point and it was only after reading on this board that i bought a mini. | ||
| Cavscout Message Board Member Username: Cavscout Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2011 |
I think it's reasonable to expect an on-duty officer to have enough knowledge about basic firearm functions to render a firearm safe when discovered/recovered in the field. Certainly enough knowledge to negate using a hammer to try to dislodge live ammo! Turn it over to a firearm savvy officer if in doubt, or have it transported to the department armorer. | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 3228 Registered: 02-2009 |
cavscout you are stating the obvious. no one asserted that the procedure used in the original post was acceptable. my assertion that it is not possible to be familiar with every firearm was in answer to EBG. of course you would secure it and seek assistance. | ||
| Cavscout Message Board Member Username: Cavscout Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2011 |
Joe, I will never be one to slight LEO's as a group. I know being a firearms expert takes a back seat to the other skills expected: Know more about the law than an attorney. Know more about human behavior than a psychiatrist. Have better judgement than Solomon. Have the foresight of a psychic. Have perfect recollection of past events, no matter how many years gone by. Have more tolerance for public abuse than a Buckingham Palace Guard. Be attentive and loving for your family. | ||
| Jestus Message Board Member Username: Jestus Post Number: 41 Registered: 06-2012 |
Louie and Top_dog, Thank you for jumping into the fray and explaining about real life LEO's. Too much TV gives the wrong impression. I wanted to say something but I'm glad that you both, from experience, put things in perspective. LEO's have a very tough, multifaceted, job and very little of it has to do with their sidearm. On our local level we had an embarrassing show of firepower many years ago when two officers were dispatched to track down a "vicious" dog that had assaulted some children. The officers cornered the dog in a fenced back yard and both emptied their service weapons at the dog. Only a few rounds actually hit the dog. The desk Sergeant was called in and he dispatched the suffering dog. The two had fired well over twenty rounds and only five had hit the dog. And this was in a residential neighborhood. I trust they were examples of the lower percentile. I do not recall their professional fate. On the other side of the coin, I have seen one officer bring a raucous gang of adolescents to hand with a just a few words (and they were not "beat down" words either). I was impressed. Louie, I like your term "gun people". So much better than "gun nut" or other less fitting terms.  ) I think taking cops off "the beat" has been a poor choice for many locales. Cops in cars are only seen when trouble arises. They lose the everyday face to face rapport needed to maintain a civil balance and community connection. We've lost something. | ||
| Top_dog Message Board Member Username: Top_dog Post Number: 524 Registered: 02-2009 |
Jestus, I agree with you on all counts,especially with taking cops of the beat. Countless crimes have been solved by the foot patrolman with his knowledge of the folks on his beat and the information that they pass along to someone familiar. I used to have a box of Milk-Bones in my cruiser and would stop and talk with folks walking their dogs and give the dogs a treat. The results were very positive both for me and the public. It showed them that I cared and would listen. It works. As far as most cops being able to handle non-standard weapons,during our training sessions,I would introduce "other" firearms during stress scenarios to see how the officers would react. In other words,I would make them think and use their minds. That too,works. Top Dog | ||
| Louiethelump Message Board Member Username: Louiethelump Post Number: 3820 Registered: 12-2010 |
The public (you people included) do not want to PAY for foot patrol officers. I often hear complaints about NYPD being so "understaffed" and they are an area that uses a lot of foot patrol officers. Did you folks know that NYPD has (or had as I have not done the math recently) THREE times the number of police officers per thousand of population they serve than most departments in the south? Foot patrol officers is the most expensive method as an officer on foot can only cover so much area. A few square blocks at best. Typical single officer zones around here may 4 or 5 square miles in the cities and 40 or 50 square miles in the more rural areas. Can you say "PROPERTY TAXES"? That is how officers are paid for. If you like the idea of nice police officers walking through your neighborhoods, are you prepared to double or triple your property taxes to pay for it? I doubt it. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 600 Registered: 10-2011 |
Don't need 60G cops footing the hood,,,,, Go-betweens needed,,,,, Guardian Grandpas on Golfcarts to patrol the neighborhood,,,,,empty the nursing homes.....the caged old fellas might enjoy the freedom and power,,,,,slip some redbull in their cans of ensure.....give em a taser,,,,,,tell em to call for a new battery when they get low. | ||
| Theysayimnotme Message Board Member Username: Theysayimnotme Post Number: 630 Registered: 02-2009 |
I turned in a kit .45 Cal cannon for two hockey tickets at one of those events. The cop tried to buy it from me for twenty dollars but the hockey tickets were worth quite a bit more than that. Then a couple of days latter there was a story in the local paper of the guns that were turned in & one of the pictures was of my cannon & the picture made it look like a full size cannon. Most of what they get is useless junk but they don't care, all they want is the propaganda. | ||
| Jestus Message Board Member Username: Jestus Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2012 |
When I lived in a little village in Vermont (part of the Hartford township), the only cop we had was a Hartford cop that would swing throughout town several times a day. He was a nice fellow if not kind of a Barney Fife type. Knew his stuff and once chased down a drunk (driver) who had crashed our party. He caught him and the guy resisted. Later he said he had to thump him with his nightstick a couple of times before he got him in the patrol car. (Little skinny cop, big drunk.) After that he'd drop by every so often to say Hi. He'd just show up and stick his head in the kitchen door, "Hello". (It 's Vermont, y'know.) Things are very laid back and you don't need a permit to carry concealed either. Our property taxes probably went up for that kind of rapport, though. ) | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2905 Registered: 09-2009 |
"Don't need 60G cops footing the hood,,,,, Go-betweens needed,,,,, Guardian Grandpas on Golfcarts to patrol the neighborhood,,,,,empty the nursing homes.....the caged old fellas might enjoy the freedom and power,,,,,slip some redbull in their cans of ensure.....give em a taser,,,,,,tell em to call for a new battery when they get low." A bunch of old Zimmermans keeping everyone safe. Send them out unarmed (taser). They are old so they won't miss much life if we loose three or four. Being one of those with one foot in the nursing home, I vote no on that one. Don't just use us for bait. Give us a chance to fight back. Arm us with a 12 gauge and I will go for that. At least let me carry a couple of my Minis. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 602 Registered: 10-2011 |
addendum taser = official carry piece,,,,,,but BYOG applies, looking after the taxpayers......gotta keep the cost down,,,,,but volunteer-purchased 12g KSG's acceptable; modifications to golfcart allowed | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2910 Registered: 09-2009 |
I am going to get a KSG if the price gets below $850.00 before I die or get put in the nursing home. You can't have them there. I would rather take the old Folks like me, arm them with what they want (old folks choice), give them a lounge chair, a shade umbrella, and a cooler for the Ensure and line them up along the Southern border. We could stop the flow. Problem is that the government don’t want the flow to be stopped. If they wanted it stopped, they could stop it.  | ||
| Mred Message Board Member Username: Mred Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2012 |
Did you see some of the pictures of some of the beautiful weapons just turned in in Los Angeles Kalifornea in the buy back...I cried. | ||
| Bill_deshivs Message Board Member Username: Bill_deshivs Post Number: 449 Registered: 02-2009 |
Here's my take: NEVER participate in a "buy back." They give the antis more fuel. Any gun you would turn in can be parted out for the same amount, or more. These "buy backs" are no-questions-asked, and the guns are destroyed. How would you like it if your stolen gun was turned in and destroyed rather than being returned to you-the rightful owner? |
