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     Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4150 Registered: 06-2009  |
There's a rumor at the Diamondback forum that they are making a .32NAA version of the DB380. Now that would be sweet! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4156 Registered: 06-2009 |
A guy from Diamondback jumped on the DB380/DB9 board and posted that they ARE indeed developing a .32NAA barrel. Wow, cool. They are currently having issues with obtaining ammo for testing, though, apparently. See my new member ntroduction thread there for more info: http://www.diamondbacktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=901&p=5928#p5928 | ||
| Westerly1965 Message Board Member Username: Westerly1965 Post Number: 1518 Registered: 09-2010  |
LOL "They are currently having issues with obtaining ammo for testing, though, apparently." Gee I wonder why... | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4158 Registered: 06-2009 |
Actually, I DO wonder why. Doesn't Corbon and/or NAA have some available for sale? I thought they did. Are you thinking they want cheap ammo for testing? Corbon makes FMJ that's cheaper than "the good stuff." | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3121 Registered: 09-2009  |
It is a marketing ploy. Bullets are bullets. The cases are not hard to make and the bullet are standard .32's. They are playing some kind of game....... The ballistics are fantastic and my guess is that some of the bigger fish in the pond are cranky about it and have either voiced a "bad breath" about it or someone has been paid to make this happen really slowly. The people that really know will absolutely never say. After we have been waiting this long for ammo I am guessing that it is not going to happen any time soon! We must reason that there are a LOT of .380 auto pistol manufacturers. If the news gets out that a same size gun can deliver what may be called "magnum" stopping power in the same size package it is sure to say that quite a lot of peeps would be VERY cranky!!! ALSO......interesing that ANOTHER manufacturer is following down this road. If you suck no one will copy you. If you are kewl it is not long before you see yourself on every corner......food for thought!  | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 1795 Registered: 02-2009  |
it would be nice to see more ammo manufacturers come out with their own 32NAA. A DB32 would help that. How many people want to buy a 32 NAA Guardian but dont because of worries about future ammo availability? | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 1796 Registered: 02-2009 |
ah.... its going to be a drop in barrel.....nice, just like the glock with drop in barrels. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 864 Registered: 09-2009  |
I had to wait 4 months for the 32NAA. 6 months on the 25NAA. I got enough now. Maybe it is the cost that is slowing them down.... They will have to sell quite a few 380s to get enough profit to buy the 32NAA ammo to test the new barrel. | ||
| Grayelky Message Board Member Username: Grayelky Post Number: 1499 Registered: 10-2009 |
It would seem to me it would be in CorBon's interest to help any company develop another barrel to shoot a low demand ammo product, thus expanding the demand and making the ammo more profitable. Just a touch of thread drift here, but if Bersa would develop a .32NAA barrel for their Thunder 380, I suspect it would sell quite well. | ||
| Glockman23 Message Board Member Username: Glockman23 Post Number: 339 Registered: 12-2009  |
I found this on the Seecamp website under "ammunition". Sort of pertains to what your talking about. I don't agree or disagree, that stuff is too expensive for me to care: Gimmick Rounds I’ve been asked why we don’t make a pistol for the necked down NAA .32 cartridge as produced by Corbon. The answer is simple. The NAA .32 necked cartridge produces less penetration, a smaller expanded bullet, and more mass loss than a .380 hollow point cartridge while requiring a pistol package of the same size as a .380. Relative expansion of the NAA .32 expressed in a percentage is admittedly greater, but the ultimate expanded bullet size is still less than an expanded .380 bullet and penetration is also less. I just don’t see any point to it outside of novelty sales, but I’m always willing to listen to anyone who can give me a good reason why a .380 necked down to a souped up .32 that provides a smaller hole and less penetration than a hollow point .380 is a better choice than a .380. (I don’t want to hear about the value of small entry holes from folks who collect pelts.) | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4159 Registered: 06-2009 |
Interesting. I thought penetration was deeper because the bullet was traveling a lot faster. And, I thought the energy transfer for the bullet weight going the additional speed was increased from the .380ACP to the .32NAA. I thought that was the whole point. Is that not the case? Or is it just Seecamp blowing steam because he (they) have always thought he (they) was better than anyone else? To create a .32NAA barrel would be to admit that Sandy and NAA had bested them, before they had thought about it. Curious. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3132 Registered: 09-2009 |
Whoever wrote that is an uneducated(and obviously jealous!) Dolt! The converse is actually true. The .32NAA is a necked down .380 cartridge. The smaller bullet with the larger powder charge holds far more energy and WILL in fact because of the higher energy, have more penetration than a standard .32 or a standard .380, for obvious reasons....to me anyway! I don't know, maybe because I am an Engineer stupid things that people sometimes say just sound far more ridiculous than perhaps to an average Joe...... I mean it is like comparing a stick of dynamite with a pebble on it to a firecracker with a rock on it. Which one will go farther and faster when it goes off?? DUH?!?!?! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4160 Registered: 06-2009 |
Yeah, it sounds like the blowing out of a bunch of hot air from an orifice from which that sort of thing is common. ;) And how do you like the subject title? Gimmick Rounds. Do they also think that .357Sig rounds are gimmick rounds? Or that the majority of rifle rounds, which have necked-down cartridges, are gimmick rounds? | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 871 Registered: 09-2009 |
Ford sells Fords. So they say that Vetts suck because they can't build a car equal to the Vett. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4162 Registered: 06-2009 |
Or you can order it as a full package, like maybe a DB32. Or DB32NAA. | ||
| Glockman23 Message Board Member Username: Glockman23 Post Number: 340 Registered: 12-2009 |
Whew, couldn't get on the website all day yesterday. Not sure what the deal was. Anyway, yeah, just posted for conversation's sake. To me it's like the .357 sig round that was developed (a crimped down .40 casing with a 9mm bullet). It's a legitimate round for self defense for sure. Especially since it penetrates car doors with ease (which is why I heard the secret service carries that round- I could be misinformed though). Larry Seecamp definitely has some very fixed opinions, right or wrong, about personal protection. I mean the guy doesn't even make a gun with sights! That is a firm decision on his part. I tend to agree with him on this point. Shooting in a self defense situation will be an up close, violent and fast affair, without any reloading or aiming down the sights. But I digress... | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3142 Registered: 09-2009 |
...an a-hole opinion like tha will make me NEVER buy anything from his arrogant, ignorant arse!!! | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 881 Registered: 09-2009 |
That is like walking into a gun shop looking for a pistol and the dealer laying one on the counter and telling you "this is all you can have, take it or leave it." Seecamp don't make anything that grabs my interest. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3145 Registered: 09-2009 |
I want a gun that goes BANG! every time. That is why I carry a Pug and a Kahr. Funny how these little guys can get so arrogant and sell junk that will get you killed. I have read so many freking stories about Seecamp's and Rohrbaugh's having FTF issues I can't remember half of them. Yet they will tell you that they are the cream of the crop and no one makes anything with better quality. Seecamp you have to do a round count and change springs or the thing blows up in your face, Rohrbaugh will only fire two or three different rounds.....if you re lucky. You see the Guardian had some issues. Looks like they were fixed. Long time since I have seen ANY complaints about a Guardian at less than half the price!...yet Mr. Arrogant refuses to update his design! ...and NAA is certainly not a big company! WHY ARE THESE JUNK GUNS SO EXPENSIVE??????? Simple minds will believe anything you tell them....not me | ||
| Glockman23 Message Board Member Username: Glockman23 Post Number: 341 Registered: 12-2009 |
Wow, Chopprs I see you are as charming as ever. Now I remember why I stopped coming here. I feel like I just got a wedgie in the locker room. I have a right to express my opinion without being called a simple minded a-hole, of which I am neither. Actually I had to edit that. I was thinking about it and you used to be pretty cool. What happened? Hanging out with the wrong crowd? | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3149 Registered: 09-2009 |
No offense intended in any specific direction. It just pisses me off that the guy builds something for as long as he has, calls it the best and the thing has all kinds of problems, some of which have been addressed by the industry but he arrogantly REFUSES to do something about it. He continues to charge a premium for something that he not only knows is not right but can be fixed with some effort. Lazy, greedy and arrogant are some words that come to mind! 20 years ago it was an innovative design, but things have progressed just a tad and he is now not the only fish in the pond but just badmouths everyone else to try to uphold his antique design. I just think the guy is a shitstik, not you my man!!! He tells people his product is good and we, as Americans are a trustworthy people and trust that he is not full of crap. He has to know he is. I deal with people like that all the time. | ||
| Glockman23 Message Board Member Username: Glockman23 Post Number: 342 Registered: 12-2009 |
Thanks. I have read nothing but glowing reviews about the Seecamps, besides their ammo sensitivity issues and people who think anything under .38 spl or 9mm is not a "real" SD caliber. Guess I should dig a little deeper. I've heard from numerous people on other threads that say they are the nicest shooting and best made pocket guns they've shot hands down. Also, the customer service is supposed to be the best in the biz, on par with NAA. Not so in your opinion? I'm always interested in both pros and cons when I do my rather extensive and anal retentive research before buying a new gun. Also I can get one for LESS than a Guardian from my local guy. 2 month wait though. They are still very popular. | ||
| Glockman23 Message Board Member Username: Glockman23 Post Number: 343 Registered: 12-2009 |
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I respect your opinion, Chopprs, and would like to hear it here on the Seecamp. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4173 Registered: 06-2009 |
FYI, it is not possible to hijack a thread in this forum. That's considered "busy as usual" and is quite normal. Carry on. | ||
| Jupiter7 Message Board Member Username: Jupiter7 Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2010  |
As a seecamp owner I can chime in on both counts. I can agree that the seecamp is somewhat dated and mr. seecamp's views are a bit skewed. Mine has been perfect, yet I question .32acp as a viable defense caliber daily. I've been lucky and the 1st ammo I chose for mine works. But, I wonder in an emergency with limited ammo choices if it'd be dependable. The only other .32 I've considered is the kel tec p32. Not really any ammo issues I've seen on ktog.org and at half the price and light weight it's tempting. And when you mention excellent customer service a few companies come to mind: Springfield Armory, NAA, Kel Tec, ruger, S&W. I've considered trading the seecamp 32 for something more substantial, just haven't figured out what yet. Also, glockman23, if you haven't checked out a kel tec, you should. Spring for hard chrome or parkerized at least. Neat weapons, Mr. Kelgren is a firearms wiz. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4174 Registered: 06-2009 |
I have had the pleasure to meet Mr. Kelgren. Very nice guy. | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 1800 Registered: 02-2009 |
i have the 380acp, 32acp and 25 acp seecamps. the 25 acp will work with any ammo. the 32 acp and even more so the 380acp work only with some ammo. the 32 and 380 are designed for the length of hollow point ammo. the tolerances are tight for the 32 acp and very tight for the 380 acp. there is a wide variation in over all length of ammo depending on manufacturer and even some manufacturers have batches of out of spec ammo. the last few years with the run on ammo and resulting decline in quality and uniformity in manufacture of most ammo companies it has gotten more challenging to find ammo that always works for the 32 and 380 seecamps. that is the problem with the 32 acp and 380 seecamps. I have said before on here if you want a gun that can basically shoot any ammo and not have to worry about it get a Guardian. ihave a 32 acp guardian and was looking for a 380 but at that time there were none being made by NAA. the Seecamps are well made guns and the customer service is excellant by all counts. the 32 acp is right around the cost of the Guardian 32acp now. the recoil spring on the 32 acp will last for a long time, as long as the Guardian in fact. the recoil spring for the 380 has to be changed when it starts to deform, could be every 500 rounds or less or more. that is something that you wont have to worry about with a 380 Guardian. in my opinion the 380 Guardian and 380 Seecamp are both far superior to the plastic 380 pistols. As far as opinions about different rounds i take those with a grain of salt. There are so many differing opinions on hollow point vs full metal jacket, caliber,etc that i have long since stopped paying any attention. I use what i like and what works well for the particular gun and dont worry about it. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3150 Registered: 09-2009 |
I like the Ruger LCP. I do not own one now because there are 9mm's that are ever so slighty bigger and the question to me is answered before it is asked. I never used to like plastic pistols until I started carrying on my belt in the summer. One reason that I am looking into Dar's DB9. The guardian is also a great choice at a great price for a small, high quality, reliable .380 handgun but it is heavy compared to others in it's class. As for the seecamps, I have read people with as little as 200 rounds having the spring break in a .380. The last think I want to do is pay a grand for a gun and have it break when I need it to save my life. Metalurgy has grown in leaps and bounds since the computer has come into play. There is NO EXCUSE for this!!! A redesign of the spring could be, how hard???....and to go on and bash competitors who actually have superior guns as far as reliability and at least equal as far as quality goes is also unnaceptable. There are a ton of pocket pistols out there now because of a huge demand, one thing that we can actually thank Mr. Obama for. I see no reason to pay way to much for something that requires constant maintenance and will always have a chance of failing. There is my opionion, you may not like it but it is my opinion and you asked! (p.s., no intention of dissin' anyone in particular) | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4175 Registered: 06-2009 |
I LOVE my solid steel Guardians. The craftsmanship is superb and they function flawlessly. I have nice checkered wood grips on both my G32 and G380 and Crimson Trace on my G32NAA and they are all a joy to hold in my hand. However, I carry something lighter. Not steel and wood, but polymer, aluminum, and an essential amount of steel. I would prefer to carry a Guardian. Practice tells me that I'll carry the polymer more often, because of comfortability. I'm not a big guy and a little extra steel is just not comfortable for me. That's why I fondle and enjoy my steel guns, but carry my plastic ones. It's just a matter of practicality. That doesn't stop me from carrying a PUG, either with or without a primary. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3152 Registered: 09-2009 |
......same here. Nothing better than taking out my Colt National Match and just......"rubbing it"!!!  | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 1247 Registered: 10-2009 |
I have a sig p230, but it is a little big for pocket carry. I like my Guardian, but then again some things I don't like about it. #1 -- It's heavy #2-- Can Not lock slide open #3-- Last round will sometimes stove pipe I know that is suppose to be a non issue, but I still don't like it #4--To me the trigger pull is just to heavy, seems to hang up sometimes #5--The recoil is just to much for my old hands and wrist. It's a blow back action, I think the recoil action like the 380 Kahr or sig p238 would be better #6-- sometimes when I take it apart for cleaning, it hangs up and I have to get a rubber mallet and tap it on the rear to get the frame to move forward Other than that, I like it That's like saying,---other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play JMHO!!! | ||
| Glockman23 Message Board Member Username: Glockman23 Post Number: 345 Registered: 12-2009 |
I need to look into Keltec it seems. Thanks for the input guys. Has Keltec improved their reliability issues? It would be thinner, lighter and cheaper than anything else. Not as flashy, but that's never really been my thing as you can tell from my user name. | ||
| Louiethelump Message Board Member Username: Louiethelump Post Number: 636 Registered: 12-2010 |
If you are Glock guy, you should LOVE Keltec...... Louie | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 893 Registered: 09-2009 |
I have put over 500 rounds through my P3AT and not a hang up (yet). Both round nose and hollow points. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4226 Registered: 06-2009 |
Apparently, Diamondback has started shipping .32NAA replacement barrels for their DB380's. I'd really like to get one of these. See: http://www.diamondbacktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=937 | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 1813 Registered: 02-2009 |
$100 barrel for a $300 gun. i wonder if the 32NAA will help the DB380 with its failure to feed issues. Being able to switch barrels makes it less of a gamble for those who like the 32NAA but dont want to get stuck with a gun they cant get ammo for at sometime in the future. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4228 Registered: 06-2009 |
I don't think the cost for the barrel compared to the cost of the gun is unusual or unexpected. I once bought a .40S&W barrel for around $100 for my Kel-Tec P11, which cost me about $250. I ended up selling the barrel (for a profit, because they were no longer made), because it was just too much recoil for the gun, and ripped the skin off the thumb on my shooting hand. My DB380 does have a few issues feeding. I hadn't tonight of this added benefit, but that's a good idea. I may get it to see how well my DB380/32NAA will feed. In any case, it's just cool to have another barrel for the gun. | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 1815 Registered: 02-2009 |
from what i understand of the db 380 is that you have to use hotter rounds to get the gun to cycle correctly. the 32 NAA may take care of that problem on that and also being tapered of course may help with feeding. i have wanted to get the db380 but still too many reports of problems for me to get oneat this point. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4229 Registered: 06-2009 |
I haven't really tried hot rounds in my DB380. I tried one brand of hollow-point--I think Hornady--and it didn't like it. I was practicing with round-ball Magtech ammo and it liked it 100%, so that's what I carried. I have about 4 boxes of Gold Dots in .380 that I was planning to use, but haven't gotten around to testing it. It's so expensive I hate to shoot it up, just to find the gun doesn't like it, LOL. My DB9 is a different story. It liked the first ammo I used, which is Remington 115grain hollow points. Not the expensive stuff, but still hollow points. I shot 50 rounds of it without a single misfeed. I may get some hotter rounds for carry, but I'm mostly satisfied with the Remington rounds. It would be interesting to try the .32NAA rounds and chrony both calibers and see which has the most energy. Maybe I could carry my DB9 as my primary and my DB32NAA as a backup. LOL. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3230 Registered: 09-2009 |
.....you would not be allowed to post here any more!  | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4230 Registered: 06-2009 |
Well, I would also have my PUG as my BUG to the DB32NAA and my .22 short/magnum mini as my BUG to my PUG. That's a total of four. That might be enough. Of course, I also need a couple of knives. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 948 Registered: 09-2009 |
Careful collector, you will start looking like me....... | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3245 Registered: 09-2009 |
.....now THAT would be hard to top! A 90 year old crotchety, cranky-pants with horribly sweaty armpits, a weaks worth of crap in his Depends, wearing 23 guns.....and holding an "Obama GFYS" sign!!!  | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 953 Registered: 09-2009 |
Yep. That's pretty much me. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4296 Registered: 06-2009 |
The DB32NAA barrels are now listed on the Diamondback web page. I'm very tempted to order one. http://diamondbackfirearms.com/diamondback-accessories/db380/32naa-conversion-barrel-for-db380.html | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3397 Registered: 09-2009 |
Before you do, can we get ammo????? | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 990 Registered: 09-2009 |
Give Jessica an e-mail and ask her. I bought enough when the last batch came in to last me a long time (as long as I don't shoot a box a week). Yar Too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3403 Registered: 09-2009 |
Interesting, I have been doing a little research when I started questioning the difference between standard 9mm and +P or +P+ .380 as far as stopping power/penetration/muzzle energy and expansion. I am considering replacing my PM9 with a Rohrbaugh and realizing it will only fire standard 9mm, started looking at some hot .380s. From what I have been reading the 9mm wins it hands down because the .380 seems to have some issue with penetration though there are a few that have some pretty impressive amounts of muzzle energy. The .32 NAA solves this issue. It looks to me anyway that this round is seriously superior to the .380 for Self Defense. I have just started comparing it to 9mm though it still looks as if the 9 will win it is not as big a difference as the .380 comparison.... What is the difference in price between top of the line .380 and the .32 NAA? | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 996 Registered: 09-2009 |
I don't know right off hand now about the .380. The .32NAA is around 90 cents a pop. | ||
| Louiethelump Message Board Member Username: Louiethelump Post Number: 782 Registered: 12-2010  |
Why not just order the 9mm Diamondback? You can get a 32 NAA barrel for that too it looks like. Is there enough size difference to make the 380 a better choice? Of course, I see the 9mm is a no +p gun too...... Not that I really see why +p 9mm exists in the first place.............. as it is already a fairly high pressure round....... The Diamondbacks are so cheap, get a few of them..... | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3408 Registered: 09-2009 |
9MM+P is equal to several of the .357 rounds and the FBI reports tha the two rounds that they find to be the best manstoppers are .357 and .45.....hard to top, an almost pocket sized auto with .357 stopping power! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4301 Registered: 06-2009 |
Wait, you can get a .32NAA barrel for the 9mm? How would that work? Wouldn't you need some sort of spacer in the magazine? I haven't seen anything on a .32NAA barrel for a 9mm. Can you post a link? (I'm still waiting on the compensated barrel for the 9mm.) I already have some .32NAA ammo for my Guardian .32NAA, so I could try it right away. I REALLY want to try chronying the differences between a Guardian .380, Guardian .32NAA, DB380, DB9, and DB32NAA. That would be some interesting tests. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3410 Registered: 09-2009 |
I was looking for a smaller 9mm and decided to include in my search some +P rated .380s. The lack of penetration compared to the 9mm is an issue for me but the .32NAA seems to solve this. It looks as if the Diamondback in .32NAA may be a real pocket rocket. Lightweight with the capability of loading with a round that has some serious ballistics..... I see the .32NAA barrel for the DB380 but wher'ed you get the DB9 from???? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4304 Registered: 06-2009 |
The DB9 is fairly new. My local favorite dealer showed it to me when I picked up the Hogleg. Since my primary carry was a DB380, I was certainly interested. Within a week or two, I was back for the DB9. The DB9 an the DB380 are not compatible. I dropped by my dealer today as well. He had the Kahr in stock, so I checked it out as well. It was nice and I wouldn't mind having one, but the DB9 was considerably smaller and much thinner as well. I can honestly call the DB9 a pocket gun. I don't think I would consider the Kahr to be. So, I think I made the right choice. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3415 Registered: 09-2009 |
Kahr PM9 or P380? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4307 Registered: 06-2009 |
Oh, sorry, it was the PM9. Nickel slide (if that's what it was, or stainless? not sure). | ||
| Jupiter7 Message Board Member Username: Jupiter7 Post Number: 186 Registered: 10-2010 |
maybe the new CM9 around $425? The PM9 runs around $700. They are stainless though. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 4309 Registered: 06-2009 |
Probably the CM9. I don't know Kahrs, sorry. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 3419 Registered: 09-2009 |
The only differences between the two are the PM9 has a match grade barrel, which you would not notice, the CM9 has rolled lettering on the slide and the CM9 has a slight taer at the end of the slide. It is a good buy but the barrel on the PM9 really makes it amazingly accurate for such a small pistol. They are very similar to hold though. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 1327 Registered: 10-2009 |
/www.kahr.com/ Making a gun cheaper doesn�t always add up to making a cheap gun. That is the point of the new Kahr CM9. Modeled after their extremely popular but pricey PM9, the $569 MSRP clone CM9 has exactly the same external specifications, the same magazine capacity and is the same weight as it�s more expensive older brother. This gun is how Kahr answers the question, how do you follow up a home run? The answer is �with another home run, $200+ cheaper� and they really have no choice. Coming out of SHOT 2011, where nearly every handgun company announced a new 6+1 tiny 9mm, the PM9 now has much more competition in the marketplace where it had previously ruled the kingdom. The CM9 cuts corners only where the engineers at Kahr felt they could safely be cut, but is more competitive on price with the new entrants into the field in this size range. The CM9 still has the 7 patented features found in all of these small Kahrs, and it shoots exactly like the PM9, recoiling lower in the hand than most guns this size, which drastically reduces felt recoil and muzzle flip. The CM9 differs from the PM9 in 6 different ways. Conventional rifling in the barrel. � The PM9 has a polygon rifling that is match grade. Since most gunfights are close quarters without a lot of time for bench-resting, Kahr elected to eliminate this expensive process for the CM9. A side benefit is that you can shoot lead reloads in the CM9, whereas they foul up the PM9. Pinned-in plastic front sight. � The rear sight is still drift adjustable, so you lose basically nothing unless you are in the habit of hammering in those panel nails that seem to be in all Ikea furniture with the front sight of your PM9. One magazine instead of two. The second magazine on the PM9 is a 7 round extended, but you can of course buy these if you so choose. Stamped logos on the slide. � There is a $234 difference in MSRP on these two guns. Not a lot of people I imagine have been sitting around watching TV at night admiring the roll engraving on their Kahr to begin with, but mentioning this says something about the company and their integrity about how they are saving money on the manufacturing. Injection molded slide stop lever, as opposed to a lever machined from steel, which theoretically would be stronger. I�m sure it was a cost saver, but I don�t think they would use this process if it reduced the reliability of the gun. Less machining on the slide assembly. I think this is the key, and it is the way that Kahr is telling you that they have been sobered by the low price point of the new entrants to the market. Running a CNC machine is expensive and there was most likely a very involved machining process from the beginning with the PM9, which is why it is so pricey. Years later with millions of rounds fired through the PM9s, the design is a success, and the engineers have figured out how to make the gun with fewer processes. The CM9 is basically the same inside as the PM9, but Kahr found a shorter and less expensive way to get there. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 5857 Registered: 06-2009 |
So, I decided today I finally want to get the .32NAA barrel for my DB380, so I went to the Diamondback site to get one and they are out of stock. Sigh. Maybe I'll get the DB9 ported barrel then.... Oh, and by the way, Diamondback has called their .32NAA the DB320. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2044 Registered: 10-2009 |
Did they tell you when they would be back in stock? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 5863 Registered: 06-2009 |
Nope. I added in my email address on file for notification when they are, tho. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2046 Registered: 10-2009 |
If you can think of it, let me know. |
