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     22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 340 Registered: 10-2011 |
It's been clear for some time to those that care to see that President obama and many lefty city slickers want to slowly drive gas prices up and push America more toward a European style socialist state. Obama and others may actually think that higher gas prices will force people to convert to solar power or something, thinking 'necessity is the mother of invention'. They've tried everything from cornbased fuel which drives up corn and most other grocery bills; to electric which has hazardous batteries and a short driving distance. What the elites don't seem to care about is the rural folks and farmers already on the raggedy edge. Can average Americans survive $6 gas. I've long felt that would be the tipping point. Are rural folks supposed to move to big cities and live of the government. Should they adapt to an Amish lifestyle and start raising horses?..... Another day on the roller coaster of modern society. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 341 Registered: 10-2011 |
http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/02/22/florida-drivers-shelling-out-nearly-6-a-gallon-at-some-gas-stations/ | ||
| Coinchop Message Board Member Username: Coinchop Post Number: 2028 Registered: 02-2009 |
Now that their exporting huge amounts of gas for the first time since 1952, its not going to get better.../ Why is that happening? | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1622 Registered: 10-2010 |
Because too much of the population is in the cities. We are allowing energy policy to be used as a weapon against those who want to be able to be independent. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 2671 Registered: 02-2009  |
With the election approaching, this is the first time in my life that I'm glad to see gas prices rising, this is something that some of the Obama "faithful through ignorance" might actually notice. Beyond that, the US needs to tap into it's own resources while pursuing real alternative energy projects for down the road. If we tapped in to our own resources we could do a lot to improve the economy, reduce our debt and avoid lining the pockets of those who would slit our throats in a heart beat. The only real reason the left want high gas prices is for the tax revenue. In Europe they justify a $9 per gallon price which is all increased by taxes on the basis it's good for the environment to encourage everyone to use as little as possible. Imagine if the Federal Government were getting an additional $5 per gallon in tax how many "loonie left" schemes they could finance. What is truly amazing is that despite this revenue and a 20% sales tax rate, combined with far higher rates of income taxation, the UK is still unable to meet it's spending requirements - this should be an obvious lesson to all who think socialism is a good way to go. As Margaret Thatcher once said, "the problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money" with $5 per gallon in taxes, 20% Sales tax etc. etc. and still broke . . No Duh!!  | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 342 Registered: 10-2011 |
Good points Also, higher gas prices means everything that is transported such as groceries and everything inside a walmart will go up. Has the democrats written off rural America and is simply catering to the city masses? Liberty might be dying. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 2674 Registered: 02-2009 |
The knock on effect of increasing gas prices is huge, it effects everything. The unfairness for people in rural areas was often raised in the UK, they excuse the high prices and try say there is an alternative in public transport, however there isn't in rural areas and so you are being beaten up financially by your government in a partial attempt to drive you toward a none existent alternative. In most of the US, other than large cities there really isn't much viable public transport for anyone. The whole layout with strip malls and super stores is not very easy to adapt to a viable public transport either. Interestingly, I saw recently that the equivalent mpg for a train load of people was so bad that more fuel was used to haul them on a train than individually in cars so the train was causing more "enviromental damage" than cars. That's one thing that really annoys me is the unscientific attack the left have on the Motorist and silly claims about electric cars being "zero emission" - where does the electricity come from? most likely a large coal fired power station that emits huge amounts of the same gases the car is berated for and also a certain amount of radiation that is contained in coal according to one report I saw many years ago. You should also take into account that the left don't give a crap about what rural dwellers think, they usually don't vote for them anyway. It's more productive to manipulate the sheep in the cities, with the save the planet doctrines. When I was a kid and there still was a truly rural population in the UK, there was an expression "if you want to find a fool in the country (meaning rural countryside) then you'd better bring him with you" Current political goings on seems to still illustrate that, many in rural areas are much more down to earth, self reliant and practical and can see right through the "airy fairy", supposedly sophisticated ideas of the "elitist city dwellers" | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1623 Registered: 10-2010 |
Rural America scares the socialists. Its too large to be effectively policed and too fertile to be in absolute need of the government. I know the people around me call the police for the paperwork when they are forced to defend themselve's they do not need them. Rural America represents the type of individualism that socialism cannot control and it scares the socialists. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 344 Registered: 10-2011 |
You have nailed the two basics Redhawk. Availability and hypocrisy. I wonder if rural English just stay on the farm more, avoid vacations or trips to town,,,,do they ride a horse or bicycle to town for supplies,,,,make their own tools and such like the Amish? And you're right about America NOT being greatbritian geographically. Hypocrisy point----I can be efficient with my truck and plan my trips into the city for maybe twice a month......But doesn't the train have to run even if one person or Nobody is on it?? Burning gas 30 of 30 days while my truck burns it 2 of 30. And I don't see any train routes from Lowes, Walmart, BJs, Kroeger, and Gander Bass Pro...do I take a taxis between those places? Common sense escapes many lefties in political office. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 2676 Registered: 02-2009 |
As I said, it doesn't have to make sense, it's all about raising taxes and some pandering to the green vote. There are plenty who'll swallow it hook line and sinker. In the UK it's been going on for years and so increases in excise duties on gas, cigarettes and alcohol are expected every year in the budget regardless of whether the Left wing conservatives or even more left wing labour party is in power. Once these practices are fully entrenched they cannot be reversed since the revenue is relied upon to fund all the government programs. High taxation strangles investment and business and so the downward spiral continues. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 347 Registered: 10-2011 |
Kind of ironic how the government needs people to buy cigarettes or else they have to get their taxes elsewhere. If everyone quit smoking, drinking, driving, working??? Higher property taxes? I may retire by July and start raising paso finos. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 2678 Registered: 02-2009 |
It's true, if the higher taxes convinced everyone to do what they allege their purpose to be, then the government would be in serious financial trouble. I remember my British Constitution teacher making a statement to that effect when I was 14 or 15 regarding the duty on cigarettes. Eventually, they'd have to tax breathing, if any one still wants to stay alive, when all of life's other pleasures are over taxed or illegal. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 349 Registered: 10-2011 |
That's silly talk, air is an essential need like food, and they'd never tax food or make a sin tax on salt or sugar or mcdonalds... Nope, never happen....  If they start taxing the air/CO2 emissions outa my posterior I'm done for. Guess I'd have to bottle my 'Air' and feed it to my corn growing in the greenhouse | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 1964 Registered: 10-2009 |
Gas prices going up will be blamed on the Republicans. They will find a way to put the blame on Bush!  | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 350 Registered: 10-2011 |
Close Bud, it's average Americans fault: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/04/07/president-obama-blames-you-for-high-gas-prices/ My truck gets 21 mpg and my tires stay properly inflated,,, so am I allowed to complain about $6 gas King Obama? | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 2332 Registered: 02-2009  |
the truth is that neither party has done anything about high gas prices or speculation and manipulation in the energy markets. There were a number spikes in gas and oil prices while Bush was president and the congress was republican. There are spikes now and were spikes when Clinton was president. Both parties are bought and paid for by amongst others big oil. On this there is not a spits worth of difference between either party. | ||
| Westerly1965 Message Board Member Username: Westerly1965 Post Number: 2253 Registered: 09-2010  |
Heyjoe +1 | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 354 Registered: 10-2011 |
Bush holds the Saudi kings hand, And Obama bows to the Saudi king. Those two visuals came to mind with your post Joe, Not stating an opinion on the equality of corruption of the two parties, I just found that interesting | ||
| Coinchop Message Board Member Username: Coinchop Post Number: 2031 Registered: 02-2009 |
Didn't Bush open up some reserves when gas got high? | ||
| Westerly1965 Message Board Member Username: Westerly1965 Post Number: 2255 Registered: 09-2010 |
The fact that we don't remember if he did or he didn't tells us that it didn't effect the price of fuel because his oil buddy cronies just sucked it up in profit. Anytime the economy starts to improve the fuel prices go up its that simple we have been watching this cycle for well over ten years now and it isn't going to change.... | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 366 Registered: 10-2011 |
Yes coinchop, he did And Westerly is correct also, it didn't affect the price much | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1630 Registered: 10-2010 |
Tipping point to what? The decentralization of America? It could be and that would not be a bad thing. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 1968 Registered: 10-2009 |
When the gas prices went up during the Bush administration, the news channels on T.V. were all over him about his gas Buddies and it being his fault. Gas prices are going up under the Obama administration, and there are only a couple of news stations covering the gas hike!! They do not want to damage there boy [sorry] the Democrat party. |
