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     Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1855 Registered: 10-2010 |
Apparently it is ok for large mobs associated with Sharpton to promise to go get someone and "bring them to the authorities". If there was some reversals in that nonsense it would be referred to, correctly, as a lynch mob. But, for a moment, let's not consider the aftermath of what happened. Lets consider the situation before us. I am going to lay out what I think are the "facts" surrounding it as they have been reported by various news organizations though I could not find a single report that listed most of them Mr. Martin was walking through a gated community. Mr Zimmerman was acting as part of a community watch program, though it does not appear he had an official capacity. He was, it appears, legally armed. Mr. Zimmerman called the police and was instructed not to follow Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin called his girlfriend and expressed concern that he was being followed. Mr Zimmerman and Mr. Martin had a confrontation before the shooting with no witnesses. Mr. Zimmerman had a bloody or broken nose as well as lacerations on the back of his head and grass clippings on his clothing. Mr Zimmerman shot and killed Mr. Martin before police could respond to his original call. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1856 Registered: 10-2010 |
I think Mr. Zimmerman's defense hinges on the instructions by the police. Was the order to retreat a "lawful" order? Personally I do not think it was. I do not think continuing to pursue Mr. Martin was the smartest thing in the world and closing the distance with him to be within reach was pretty stupid at best. There are not witnesses but if he closed the distance aggressively he escalated the situation. The thing is they were both legally allowed to be where they were - I think. I could not find if Mr. Martin was a member of the gated community or not. If Mr. Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman when he closed he had every right to protect himself. If Mr Martin physically escalated the situation Mr. Zimmerman had every right to protect himself. I can understand both from two incidents with my ex-wife. In one she called me saying her husband at the time was throwing things and threatening my child. Had my child not been there I would not have cared but as she was I went over there and called the police on my way. I arrived there some time before them. I never drew my pistol but I walked to the door, opened it, and retrieved my daughter and her sister (who is effectively a daughter as well). The dispatch operator repeated at least three times that I was not to do that. I disregarded it as an unlawful order. As such I can see where Mr. Zimmerman ignored dispatches instruction though it is rather different then my case. The case I idenitfy with Mr. Martin is rather different. In hindsight I realize I was going through a divorce and it was either a private investigator or one of my exes boyfriends who was trying to be macho. Regardless a vehicle was following me. I know without doubt it was following me because of a handful of turns I made. Finally at one intersection (a deserted T situated neatly about a half mile from my uncles house and my sisters in the other direction) I just stopped my car. My children where at home and I was not going there. I stepped from my vehicle with my pistol partially concealed behind my leg and just watched. So I understand how having someone follow you can result in feeling threatened, I know Mr. Martin probably felt so. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3009 Registered: 02-2009  |
It seems in this case there are two opposing accounts of everything that happened including the accounts of who was shouting for help. So it's really hard to know what the actual facts are and some we may never know. My personal guess as to what happened is that Zimmerman was wanting to be all "macho" or similar and try and confront and hold Martin until the Police arrived, so ignored the advice from the Police and decided to be a "hero". Martin either because he was scared, was wanting to be "macho", or because he really had something to hide, decided to fight to get away hence the injuries to Zimmerman, at that point Zimmerman gets scared/mad realizing he's bitten off more than he can chew and uses his gun to "win" the altercation. It seems potentially two people may have behaved in a manner that escalated the incident into a fatal shooting. I tend to believe both were to blame for what occurred, I'm not quite sure in what proportions based on the available information at this stage. Regarding Al Sharpton and the African American community discontent about the incident, it's a shame that this has become like the little boy who cried wolf too often. Whenever a black person gets shot, regardless of what crime they were committing and whether they were armed etc. there is always the claim that they were killed because they were black, not because anyone robbing somewhere with a gun is risking being shot - it seems no shooting can ever be justified in their eyes. I do feel that in this case, in the absence of any major facts we are unaware of, that they may have a point. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1859 Registered: 10-2010 |
The biggest question to me is why did Zimmerman get close enough to result in a physical confrontation? | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3013 Registered: 02-2009 |
I'm picturing him trying to restrain Martin or block his way to stop him leaving the scene. That's the difference a Police Officer has in that he can draw his gun from a distance and order someone to stay put. In this case it probably started out with a bit of pushing and shoving and then escalated. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1864 Registered: 10-2010 |
The question would be why did he try to "detain" him then. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3016 Registered: 02-2009 |
I guess he was a wannabee policeman or something, there was some comment he made somewhere about "how they always get away" so perhaps he'd experienced "frustration" in the past with people he suspected of being up to no good who had disappeared by the time the authorities arrived. I certainly don't think he should have tried to do so and I'm sure he's painfully aware of that now, with the benefit of hindsight. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1865 Registered: 10-2010 |
Indeed that is a major problem. Those calling for prosecution and those that will ultimately make the decisions about this have the benefit of doing so sitting in a comfortable and secure location with hours to think about it. They also have more information about the ultimate victim and are not left simply profiling him based on a single encounter. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3017 Registered: 02-2009 |
I think Zimmerman was on real thin ice anyway over this one, now with all the pressure that will come to bare, he will need a doubly good reason for his actions backed by some solid evidence to get away with this IMO. I think it will need some real "smoking gun" evidence to come out against Martin for him to get off. I think he may genuinely have acted in SD at the moment he shot, but his actions before that seem to be similar to me going into a bar starting a fight with the biggest toughest guy there and then when it's not going well for me shooting him because I'm afraid he's going to kill me. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1867 Registered: 10-2010 |
I think you are right on that Redhawk. I think he was in imminent danger of severe bodily harm. I think Martin was going to whip on him. I also think Martin would have been justified in doing so if the story we are hearing is at all accurate. Had Zimmerman acted differently this affair would not have happened. His biggest problem is going to be the 911 tape when he was instructed to quit following and ignored it and then got close enough to result in a physical confrontation. Had he just followed at a reasonable distance this would likely not be an issue. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2075 Registered: 10-2009 |
It is terrible what happened, and the result was the loss of life of a 17 year old! With the chance of making a racial comment, [not intended to be so] I'm thinking it would be worse of an outcry with Al Sharpton and his gang if Zimmerman would have been a Caucasian instead of Hispanic.  | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3021 Registered: 02-2009 |
Bud, without wanting to sound tactless, the only good thing about this terrible situation is that Zimmerman was not Caucasian, otherwise things would be even more out of hand in the aftermath and it may well have led to further violence. Zimmerman's biggest problem in all this is that had he acted differently, and indeed how he was advised too, none of this would have happened. With the 911 call etc. it's impossible for him to claim he even acted in the heat of the moment. I still wonder if there's more to come out though, as the Police did not act immediately over the incident, if I'd done the same thing I would expect to have been arrested and charged on the spot, if the main points we are hearing are correct. I'm still reminded of an incident we had here locally where a man shot his brother in law. Reading the news reports, you would have thought the guy had zero chance of claiming self defense particularly as he was in the other mans house and the brother in law didn't have a gun. Even friends of mine who knew the guy couldn't believe he'd done it or had any chance of getting off. When it went to trial and you heard the whole story, there was a lot more detail that totally changed the whole thing and he was acquitted. Even the dead man's relatives had spoken out in support of the shooter, so I always tell myself wait until the trial, if there is one, before passing judgement. | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1187 Registered: 09-2011  |
I agree with Redhawk. It seems every time a black person is shot or killed by a non black man, the person doing the shooting is automatically tried, found guilty, and sentenced, regardless of what really happened. Has it been determined that Mr. Martin had a legitimate reason for being in the area? Did he live there. If there is a trial and the judge is black, Mr. Zimmerman's ass is grass! | ||
| Tranquilo Message Board Member Username: Tranquilo Post Number: 1073 Registered: 06-2009 |
Today bho weighed in on this issue, stating: "If I had a son, he'd look like Treyvon Martin." As he has on other occassions, bho injects race into an incident before all the facts are known. Instead of uniting the nation along racial lines, he has created deeper divisions. But knowing and understanding his background/upbringing this should come as no surprise (the leftstream media has covered it up quite well). | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3026 Registered: 02-2009 |
I've been expecting BHO to step in with some unhelpful comments. It's unfortunate that firstly he shows his own racial prejudices through his comments and secondly in doing so fuels the fires of hatred that exist in others, even if he's being very subtle this time, unlike the Gates incident. To me this is just another reason why he is not of Presidential material, part of that job is at times to put the needs of the country above personal opinion. All he needed to do was reassure everyone there's an investigation underway and we all need to await it's outcome. From Fox News: "Zimmerman told police Martin attacked him after he had given up on chasing the teenager and was returning to his sport utility vehicle" Now if that were true, it would put a very different perspective on things. | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2012 |
I agree if he had given up the fight after having been had his noggin bopped about and Martin attacked him that may be another game changer. It is my understanding that is some places in Florida corner markets and banks say, no hoodies, no sunglasses, no long coats -no service. So, it is possible that there was some question on appearances inspite of people not willing to admit sometimes it does matter. Above all else peace begins at our own doorsteps. Peace begins with me. If you go looking for trouble, you are bound to find it. The sorrow is two families ruined. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3037 Registered: 02-2009 |
"Peace begins with me. If you go looking for trouble, you are bound to find it" Ain't that the truth  | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2161 Registered: 09-2009  |
That shot killed a kid and injured every gunowner in America. I live in a very rural southern Indiana county and we have stores that have signs against hoodies and sunglasses. Not just "no service". "Do not enter with hoodie up and sunglasses on your face." I wear a black hoodie but no sunglasses. So I always make sure not to have my hoodie up when going into a store of any kind. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6026 Registered: 06-2009  |
The lawyer for the shooter in this case says the "Stand your ground" law does not apply to his client. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6028 Registered: 06-2009 |
The witness that apparently prompted the police to NOT make the arrest says that the guy who did the shooting was on the ground on his back with Trayvon on top of him and beating him. This is an interesting twist. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012 After all of the attention this case has gotten, this MAY end up getting ruled as self-defense, but I don't think he'll get off completely, because he pursued the kid. if you actively go looking for trouble, you just might find it, and then it's partly your own fault when you do. | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1192 Registered: 09-2011 |
Actually, wasn't that sort of his job, I mean the pursuit thing. Wasn't he supposed to be looking in to what was going on. Of course he may have carried it too far, we may never know. I wonder how reliable the witness is? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6032 Registered: 06-2009 |
That could be, Gunr. I mean, he was supposed to be watching the neighborhood, right? Did he fear the kid? Was he expecting trouble? If so, why would you pursue trouble? He was probably hopped up on adrenaline and felt a bit powerful with his hidden gun. Maybe it wasn't all his fault, but he might be screwed anyway. In any case, this is WAY BIGGER than it ever should have been and probable is not good for either side. No matter what, somebody is gonna lose--and it might be both sides. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6496 Registered: 09-2009  |
In New York you can not shoot someone unless they have a gun pointed at you or have a knife and have already cut you. Hit on the head with a pipe would be debatable. Punch in the nose, NO WAY! Here it is a jail term cut and dry. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2170 Registered: 09-2009 |
Wanted dead or alive. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11778354-wanted-dead-or-alive-poster-issued-for-george-zimmerman-by-new-black-panther-party Sounds something like the Klan to me. Just different color of hoodies. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6498 Registered: 09-2009 |
I mean seriously. I am not racist at all. I have friends that are from all over the world and every color imaginable.but the whole black thing is really out of hand. I can not imagine having a magazine, television channel or posting a wanted dead or alive poster from an all white organization. It would not be allowed nor tolerated by the Left but it is now the norm for them to have and hold these. It really makes no sense. About as much sense as Christmas being banned in schools but giving Muslim holidays off now... what the hell is going on?!?!?!?!? ...somebody stop this ride, I WANT OFF!!! | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1198 Registered: 09-2011 |
On NBC tonight, 7PM, Dateline with Lester Holt will have a show on this. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3052 Registered: 02-2009 |
These people are so racist, if you read the link posted by Uncle Lee can you imagine what would happen if a White person made the same comments, substituting the word White for Black? Black power, what is that about in this day and age? we have a President, the most powerful man in the world who says he's black - what's holding the rest of them back? I'm not racist, but I've come to the conclusion most times when I'm talking to a black man, the only one who's worried about him being black, is him. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6039 Registered: 06-2009 |
I hate to get into the racism debate, but I'll share just one point. Shortly after the OJ trial, when he was found not guilty, I was watching a special on one of the news stations where they were interviewing some young blacks. One of these black guys KNEW that OJ was innocent, because he knew "white cops" and how they MUST have framed OJ. They didn't know the cops in the case, but they KNEW what white cops were like. Or in other words, these young blacks were racist. In fact, I believe some of the most racist peope are black. Not that they haven't had a reason to be, but if they want racism to end, they NEED TO STOP playing the race card. Every time something like this happens, they are the first to jump on it as racism. In fact, I believe President Obama's statement encourages racism. What "white president" would say some white kid who was killed looked like his son? I agree with Gingrich on that point--it was an absurd thing to say. OK. I'm done with that. Moving on. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3053 Registered: 02-2009 |
From MSN "About 400 people rallied Saturday in downtown Chicago to protest Martin's killing. In a racially divided city beset by shootings, gang violence and run-ins with police, the teen's death brought to mind the 1955 slaying of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old black boy from Chicago who was shot and bludgeoned to death while visiting Mississippi for supposedly whistling at a white woman. His body was found in the Tallahatchie River" They keep stirring the pot, it's not even close to this 1955 incident. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2084 Registered: 10-2009 |
IMPO, Obama has done more in the last 4 years to hurt race realation than anything else in the last 25 years.  | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3054 Registered: 02-2009 |
He has certainly made things very divisive, on a number of levels including class and race I read there were some more up to date Facebook photos of Martin that made him look rather different than his 14 year old school photo or whatever it is they're circulating. | ||
| Pogo Message Board Member Username: Pogo Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2011  |
"But, I'm NOT racist"!  | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6525 Registered: 09-2009 |
A Black man can run around saying, "BLACK POWER" and it is cool but if a white guy runs around saying, "WHITE POWER" he is a racist? I took mathematics in first grade and that does NOT add up! First of all, Obama IS NOT Black. His mother is white and his father is from Kenya. He has no slavery in his family history! Second, I think we should take all of the KKK and all of the Black Panthers and put them, no STUFF them ass to elbow in a WWII Nazi gas chamber in Germany on a 90 degree summer day and let them "figure it out" for several hours!!! I would bet that when they came out they may have a different outlook! | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2179 Registered: 09-2009 |
White folks fell to their knees to political correctness back in the mid 1960’s. I can’t feel sorry for and I don’t owe anyone anything for something that happened to someone’s ancestors. If it happened to them personally then maybe I would feel something. How many thousands or hundred thousands of slaves were there??? How many millions are wanting **** because of it? (I used a word there then changed my mind because I have no idea what they want.) If they want equality, I can give that. If they want me to kiss their rears, no way. They no longer live by the same laws that the rest of us live by. A black grade school kid can use the n word on the school grounds and nothing happens. A white kid say the same word and gets expelled. What is this double standard. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1885 Registered: 10-2010 |
You know one of the major faults in early English law was the concept of a crime that resulted in corruption of blood (attainder IIRC). Effectively certain capital crimes were found to be so heinous that the laws around punishment involved loss to the family - generally an inability to inherit and a loss of nobility. This issue was actually one addressed by our founding fathers and there was said to be no such crime. Effectively you could not be held accountable for the sins of your fathers. I wonder how we forget these things so quickly and why they are no longer taught to the general population? Actually I do not wonder why they are no longer taught. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3055 Registered: 02-2009 |
I knew someone would come along soon with a lame race card comment, because of course we'd have to be racists to even discuss the incident or question the accepted mainstream media accounts - thanks Pogo. I only see people here who are concerned about justice being served and those who manipulate one situation into another, to get headlines or to pursue a personal agenda. While this incident is an unusual set of circumstances and it appears that both parties may have done things to contribute to their downfall, what concerns me in the aftermath of this, looking at the bigger picture, is what if today any of us, who are not black are put in a genuine SD situation where our attacker(s) is black and we have to shoot to protect ourselves - what will become of us, will we be held to some higher standard because we must only have fired because of our inner racist feelings? will we be convicted out of hand and our pictures spread through the national media and have to go into hiding with our families? - because if this circus continues that is where we are heading, if we are not already there. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6049 Registered: 06-2009 |
Obama IS black. How many Americans are TRULY pure African? Very few of them, if any. Most are a mixture of races. While these people COULD claim a heritage from both races, they generally do not do so--and other Americans generally don't allow them to, ironically. But, merely by getting into this debate and saying that Trayvon looks like he could be his son, Obama is declaring his race. We got it from the man himself. The "crying and celebrating" African Americans on the night of his election also declared it boldly. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6530 Registered: 09-2009 |
Sorry Dar, he is Mullato and that IS NOT BLACK!!! He may PRETEND to be black but both of his parents are not so that makes him half white, no matter what he says or what he looks like! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6055 Registered: 06-2009 |
Like I said above, show me Americans who are NOT mullato. Most of them are. Most black Americans are quite fair skinned, compared to "real" Africans. | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 2680 Registered: 02-2009  |
my family didnt get here until 63 years after the civil war. so, me and Redhawk are out on paying reparations. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6059 Registered: 06-2009 |
Well, I can trace some of my family roots to the south, so I'm hoping nobody wants me to help pay for it any of it. :-/ Heck, there are even some famous blacks out there with my last name. I'm also a Yank, tho, being a descendant of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, who lived Boston. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6061 Registered: 06-2009 |
Wow, now we get a vote on whether Zimmerman gets arrested or not? Who is stupid enough to actually poll this? Oh. CNN. CNN poll: Majority call for arrest in Trayvon Martin shooting Maybe we'll all get to "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" on whether he gets the death penalty or not. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3059 Registered: 02-2009 |
Well with me and Heyjoe out on the reparations, it looks like you'll have to sell your collection Collector, hand over the money and then we can all live happily ever after - although one fly in the ointment there could be that Obama said he wasn't in favor of reparations because they aren't enough This link has now begun circulating to allegedly part of the Police report. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf | ||
| Pogo Message Board Member Username: Pogo Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2011 |
Dar, I hate to disagree with you, but Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was born in Portland Maine. That's where the Longfellow house is and the reason there is a Longfellow Square there. Of course at that time Maine was still part of Massachusetts, but it's still 100 miles from Boston. | ||
| 22man Message Board Member Username: 22man Post Number: 480 Registered: 10-2011 |
C.L.Bryant//////Former NAACP leader,,,,,,now Teaparty member,,,,,,don't know much of him.......but he seems brave::::: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/ | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1208 Registered: 09-2011 |
The latest I heard on NPR was that Travon was suspended from school the same day, for having marijuana in his possesion. So I guess he's not the saint that the black population has made him out to be! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. | ||
| Tranquilo Message Board Member Username: Tranquilo Post Number: 1084 Registered: 06-2009 |
According to eyewitness reports, it was Trayvon Martin who came up from behind on Zimmerman, the two exchanged words, Zimmerman was punched in the face and knocked to the ground. While down, Zimmerman was calling for help as Trayvon was slamming his head in the ground; then a shot was fired and the struggle ceased. If these accounts prove to have validity in court and there is a fair minded jury, I don't think Zimmerman will be found guilty of any crime. But will that silence Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, bho, or the "black panthers" and keep them from prematurly playing the race card at each opportunity? I don't think so. Zimmerman, is said to be Hispanic - inspite of his last name. If Zimmerman is found innocent and justified in protecting his life will that stop the liberals from their assault on the second ammendment? Not a chance! | ||
| Glenn Message Board Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2011  |
All this talk of how my ancestors were bad people for buying/owning slaves & now the white decendants OWE the blacks something. How come no one ever mentions just WHO it was .. that was selling the African slaves to the slave buyers/shippers ??? Racist ... Damn right I am ... & one of the few that are not afraid to admit it! THEY gave me the reason to be racist ! The majority of them can hate me because I am white .... then I can hate them too ! RedHawk, NC, Chopr, & Unc Lee said it ALL ! I'm not racist toward black people ... I'm racist toward the OTHER name (that act that way)... & there's a difference ... no matter WHAT color their skin is ! Like Chopr said .. I have friends of all colors ... but I hate the OTHERS. G | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6072 Registered: 06-2009 |
> Dar, I hate to disagree with you, but Henry Wadsworth > Longfellow was born in Portland Maine. That's where the > Longfellow house is and the reason there is a Longfellow Square > there. I hadn't head that, Pogo, but it looks like you're right. I'm not talking about where he was born, though, but about the house in Cambridge, Massachusetts, which I was led to believe is where he lived. I saw it many times, as it was just across the street from the LDS Mission headquarters, where I served for awhile. Did he not live there? http://www.longfellowfriends.org/index.php | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3063 Registered: 02-2009 |
22Man, it's always nice to hear or read a voice of reason as Bryant is here. I'm thankful for his comments and to hear him attack Sharpton and the others who have exploited this situation, in a way that only an African American can. I too heard that Travon was expelled from school for having a bag or container that tested positive for Marijuana. Although this doesn't have any direct relationship to the events it does show he was not entirely the innocent, naive child he was portrayed to be. As more information and witness accounts surface, it seems more possible that Zimmerman is not anything close to the monster he's been portrayed and that the reason the Police took no action was because the shooting was justified, unfortunately it's going to be really hard to convince those screaming for his blood that he's innocent in the slightest degree, since they will always be claiming it's a cover up by racist authorities. It's interesting to compare the details of the original media reports that started this mess, with what's coming out now. At one time they were saying Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 100lbs so there's no way the guy was seriously threatened by him, now Martin is suddenly said to be a 6'3" football player. Whatever the outcome, and the truth, the media should be thoroughly ashamed of their part in it and the hatred and ill feeling they have generated, which still may lead to further deaths or serious injury through retaliation etc. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6081 Registered: 06-2009 |
Okay, I may have changed my mind on this--and from an unlikely source: MSNBC. I was just watching Idiot Lawrence O'Donnell (I think Idiot is his actual title, but I should probably check on that). He had a black guy on who talked liked a lawyer, but I got into the conversation half-way, so I'm not sure. (I was flipping news channels to try to find political news, but EVERYBODY was talking about the Trayvon case.) So, anyway, here are two arguments that this guy said and I'm finding a hard time disputing them: 1. Even is Zimmerman killed Trayvon while defending himself, if Zimmerman was the one who initiated the fight, and then Martin fought back, such that Zimmerman was then losing, Zimmerman CANNOT use self-defense as an argument because HE was the aggressor and the dead person was the defender. 2. Secondly, if Zimmerman was pursuing Martin and the younger boy was scared for his life because of this guy, who apparently had a gun visible on his belt (is that true?), then the "Stand your ground" law MIGHT apply, but to Martin instead of Zimmerman. So, Martin was backed into a corner and not required to flee, but able to stand his ground to defend himself, and now Zimmerman, again, is the aggressor, and so self-defense does not apply. In both of these cases, things don't look good for Zimmerman. Comments on that? | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6536 Registered: 09-2009 |
Stop watching MSNBC! They are also the reason that millions think Obama is doing a great job! | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1911 Registered: 10-2010 |
Collector... here is an interesting tidbit. If I escalate a situtation that was not justified in the use of deadly force to a situation involving deadly force and my attacker then uses deadly force he would be justified in doing that (outside of felony murder laws). Assuming Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin were both on public streets that they both had a legal right to be on Mr. Zimmerman had every right to close the distance with Mr Martin (maybe, the 911 call may be argued to have been a lawful order and it changed things but set it aside). It was a stupid thing to do but lets assume he had the legal right to do so. Assuming he did not committ assault through his words and actions (again, it can be argued) he did not, ever so technically, escalate the situation. From there, depending on exactly what happened, you have some questions involving felony murder laws and the exact level of assault (the threat but not the use of force) Mr. Zimmerman may have committed. As much as I would like to speculate on this there are a handful of things that Mr. Zimmermans actions hinge on that are fairly complex legal matters. Its not really conceivable for me (or Obama, or Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson) to judge his legal guilt or innocence absent a determination of these facts which will determine how the law applies. Contested facts are a matter for juries. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2185 Registered: 09-2009 |
"I only see people here who are concerned about justice being served and those who manipulate one situation into another, to get headlines or to pursue a personal agenda." Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123 | ||
| Tranquilo Message Board Member Username: Tranquilo Post Number: 1085 Registered: 06-2009 |
More details are emerging about Treyvon Martin's checkered past. For the latest, check out: www.miamiherald.com | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1913 Registered: 10-2010 |
Contrary to our President's opinion what Treyvon Martin looks like should be irrelevent to the discussion. In a totally just world so should his background. For Mr. Zimmerman, unless he knew his background, it was irrelevent to his actions at the time. Granted his background may lend credibility to Mr. Zimmerman's account of what happened but both his looks and background should have been irrelevent at the time the events were unfolding. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1915 Registered: 10-2010 |
You know one of the things that bothers me about this is the media reporting the "new version of events" as the police are reporting them and the original decisions to not prosecute were made. They are giving credence to the version of events people like Sharpton are making up and ignoring the original version of events as determined based on original witness testimony. When they do report these they report the original versions as the "new" versions. No they are not. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2089 Registered: 10-2009 |
The Black Panthers are making threats toward Zimmerman. Why isn't Eric Holder doing something about that. Anderson Cooper And New Black Panther Leader Clash Over Group Meddling In Trayvon Martin Case By Frances Martel, Mediaite,com | 11:18 pm, March 26th, 2012 The New Black Panther Party: they exist, and they have somehow squeezed themselves into a corner of the Trayvon Martin tragedy, no matter how much no one else- particularly Martin's parents- want them around. But they are calling for a citizen's arrest of George Zimmerman and leader Minister Mikhail Muhammad spoke to Anderson Cooper today to try to explain just what his group was doing. In the process, he indicted Zimmerman with 1st degree murder and accused Cooper of not caring about the Martin family. He committed murder, he committed a hate crime, Muhammad told Cooper, explaining, we decided to take it upon ourselves and coalition with other groups, with other black people who have had enough. Cooper tried to explain two key faults in their plan that Zimmerman hadn't been charged with anything, and Trayvon's parents don't want you. Neither seemed to matter. We are military, we are here to support Trayvon's family, Muhammad argued, bizarrely, later adding they weren't really doing this for Trayvon Martin- they have killed millions of black men and women so not only are we calling for justice for Trayvon. You tell our justice department and Eric Holder and our President Obama to get off up their ass and do the work and the rest is done! Muhammad argued, then trying to convince Cooper that we can make a citizen's arrest when the government will not do their job according to the Constitution. Factually- that doesn't make any sense, Cooper replied, but Muhammad wasn't having it. I don't obey the white man's law, he replied, adding, you don't care about Trayvon's family. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3064 Registered: 02-2009 |
While you can argue background incidents are irrelevant, it does add weight to the idea that Martin was the aggressor when you find out he had vandalized property at school, had stolen jewelry in his possession and had some link to drugs rather than being the angelic little boy you see in the picture that Obama fell in love with. Zimmerman said he was acting suspiciously, it's also easier to see that he could have been doing just that, as there seems to be evidence from the tool in his bag and jewelry, that he had been involved in breaking and entering. Whose to say he wasn't "casing" the area as he walked through it that night - hence he appeared suspicious. When people are involved with any kind of drugs, even Marijuana there is often a link to crime to provide the funds to pay for them, particularly if you don't have a job. So while non of this proves anything, it is certainly relevant information and would likely be brought up in a trial. | ||
| Pogo Message Board Member Username: Pogo Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2011 |
@NAA col. Yes, you're right. He moved to Cambridge when he was about 27 and spent the rest of his life there. That house was given to he and his second wife as a wedding gift. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1917 Registered: 10-2010 |
Yeh, I kind of put myself in a position that I could not properly word and did not intend. In the heat of the moment Mr. Zimmerman likely had no knowledge of Mr. Martin's past criminal behavior. As such it should not have made any difference to how Mr. Zimmerman acted. Does Mr. Martins past behavior influence how a jury would ultimately rule on the facts surrounding the case? It should and is relevant in that regard. | ||
| Roguets1 Message Board Member Username: Roguets1 Post Number: 271 Registered: 09-2011 |
The way this thing is going I would not be surprised if some kind of "Rodney King" incident comes to pass. Be prepared people.... | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6083 Registered: 06-2009 |
Past history of those involved is interesting and helps us understand who these individuals were, but are often not admissable in court, especially if no conviction occurred. Their past history is mostly irrelevant as facts in the case. What's important is what happened during the altercation and who did what. Even so, character witnesses ARE often allowed to help provide motivation and allow us into their thought processes. I also DO expect there to be a Rodney-King event over this. It's gone way past a neighboorhood suspicious teenager. And, Chops, I stand behind what I said in the above post. These are valid points that are going to be troublesome for Mr. Zimmerman. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2187 Registered: 09-2009 |
I am not a racist but if a line is drawn in the sand, then I must stand on one side or the other. I will remain neutral until I am forced not to be neutral. I am too old for this shit. Just leave me alone. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1921 Registered: 10-2010 |
Uncle Lee thats how I feel about a bunch of things. I can likely survive year to year off the garden and the deer. In a few years I intend to add dexter cattle (small cows) to the list. If I can get "in front of it" just a little pigs, goats, and sheep would be a nice addition but I can live without them. A stock of diesel fuel would also be nice for the tractor but I have the hand implements around too. When it, whatever it is, happens as long as people are willing to leave me alone I am willing to leave them alone. Yes I would help my neighbors (who are also rather able bodied) and yes we would figure a way to govern ourselves but the rest of the world can deal with itself. | ||
| Tranquilo Message Board Member Username: Tranquilo Post Number: 1086 Registered: 06-2009 |
If Zimmerman had been black, this story would have never made national news and race vultures like the black panthers, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton could have cared less. But these people make a living off of fueling the fires of the racial discrimination that is old history in our country. And it doesn't help to have an instigator-in-chief in the White House. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6086 Registered: 06-2009 |
So, Tranq, is this another event orchestrated by the Obama Administration to bring racism back into the limelight, so he can ride his "blackness" to another victory? I mean, I think we must all admit that one of the reasons he got elected last time was because he was African American (or at least, he's partially African American). Is this whole media blitz just another attempt to bring that fact back into the open to help Obama? (Man, I can't believe that I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist!) | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1925 Registered: 10-2010 |
This full out blitz is because people like Sharpton and Jackson make millions by proving they can do it and extorting those who do not pay them off. The media just allows them to do it. I do not think the President helped matters with his comments and I think he hurt them. That being said what exactly do you think a "community leader" does? He fans the flames until he has people following him. The only thing I do not get is how people get rich doing it... | ||
| Tranquilo Message Board Member Username: Tranquilo Post Number: 1087 Registered: 06-2009 |
Dar, it's not a planned conspiracy but one where like-minded people act in concert when an opportunity presents itself. I don't see bho gaining at all politically other than possibly getting blacks to the polls in Nov. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6105 Registered: 06-2009 |
Now "they" (apply that plural pronoun to whomever you want) are now claiming that the Martin killing was prompted by racial profiling. Um, what? Now neighborhood watches are doing racial profiling? Am I missing something? This is crazy talk. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-family-arrives-on-capitol-hill/ | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1932 Registered: 10-2010 |
Last I checked racial profiling by an individual was not illegal. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2190 Registered: 09-2009 |
Did you hear the Black Panther say that “White man’s law ain’t our law.”. Or when he said “If the government don’t do it, then we will force the government to do it.”? They referred to themselves as an army that was going to force the government to do what they wanted it to do. Why, I ask you, why aren’t they treated the same as the Michigan Militia? Could it be that their numbers are large and their color is black? http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/key-charges-dismissed-against-michigan-militia-members-charged-with-plotting-war-on-government/2012/03/27/gIQAfUYVeS_story.html Equality, That is what I want, EQUALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UL | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6546 Registered: 09-2009 |
They should all be arrested for proffessed TREASON against the Country! BTW......punishable by DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6547 Registered: 09-2009 |
The media has been showing some old pics of Trayvon when he was quite a bit younger in an attempt to make him LOOK innocent. This morning they showed a much more recent picture of him......  | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2196 Registered: 09-2009 |
Right!! Equality for all. Hang them all. Or leave them all alone. Don't divide by race. They tried to hang the Michigan Militia. So why aren’t they trying to hang the black panthers???????????????????? Too many?? Too black??? | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6549 Registered: 09-2009 |
The answer to your question is ERIC HOLDER!!!! The head Black Panther is a felon and he is on his facebook with guns all around him and in his hands. HELLO, HE IS A FELON? Felons are not supposed to have guns! Why is he not arrested?.....ERIC HOLDER! Holding a reward for a person dead or alive is the promotion of kidnapping and or a contract to kill across state lines. THESE ARE FEDERAL FELONIES!!! Why are they not arrested? ERIC HOLDER!!!!!! Hiring an assasin?...PUBLICLY??? REALLY????? This is a bunch of CRAP! | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1933 Registered: 10-2010 |
We cannot make this about what Mr. Martin looks like. What he looks like should have no bearing on our arguments. Apparently our President does not understand that - then again he does not understand the basic concept of genetics and body structure either considering his comments. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2199 Registered: 09-2009 |
I think obama KNOWS EXACTLY what he is doing. Tearing apart and bringing down America. I wish the scales would fall from the eyes of the people so they could see the truth. Eric Holder was not in his position during the last of the 60's and 70's. The panthers were here then and they look the same. I don't care if they use the name "New", they look the same to me. It isn't Holder. It is a race thing. Blacks can do that which the whites can not do. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6554 Registered: 09-2009 |
DIVIDE AND CONQUER Hitler did it! Genghis Khan did it! Attila The Hun, Ayotollah Khomeine, Pol Pot, all of these guys knew that seperating the people in one way or another weakened them and made it far easier to control them. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6110 Registered: 06-2009 |
I saw that clip, Unc. If the government doesn't take care of Zimmerman, they promised they would, and they are seeking to get a one-million-dollar bounty on Zimmerman's head. If I didn't know better, I'd think we were back in the 60's and somebody was goona get lynched--except now it's the black guys saying stuff like this instead of the Klan. Utterly amazing--expecially since the media plays his rants on national TV. Amazing. | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2012 |
My the media does their job well? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6121 Registered: 06-2009 |
Depends on who's defining "well." It used to be that the news was news. Now news is just opinionated commentary and you have to do the "news filtering" by yourself, if at all possible. Most times, you just don't enough information to determine what the "news" really is. If you mean: "Propagandizing the left-wing point of view," then yeah, they do a pretty good job. We could probably use Bill Clinton now: "Depends on what the definition of NEWS is." | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6122 Registered: 06-2009 |
This brings me to an important question, then: Who do you consider to be REAL newscasters? I'd say maybe Brett Bair. Wolf Blitzer ALMOST, but he's not quite there. Almost everybody else who hosts a "News Show" is out--and that includes Hannity, Beck, Greta (although she's closer--but I can't stand her--she just annoys me and let's people talk too much wihtout inturruption), Peirs, and all the bums on MSNBC. O'Reilly is pretty close, but his show is definitely an editorial opinion show, so he doesn't really qualify as news. Fair and balanced, yes, absolutely. But not really news. (Mind you, I LIKE Hannity and O'Reilly and watch them often--but they do NOT host news shows. They are stricly current event commentators.) NPR doesn't qualify, either, because of their liberal slant--although they are closer than some. What say you? | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1948 Registered: 10-2010 |
The problem is not so much in what they report as what they do not report and how much time they spend on single stories. I am willing to bet that since the incident we are discussing there have been a lot more homicides nationwide and at least a few justifiable uses of a firearm for defense. Take abducted children. We see an extreme small percentage of the cases on the national news and yet those cases dominate the news cycle and push out any room that would exist for others. The problem is that we grab on to a very small sample of the stories and then make them all the news rather than reporting more of the stories. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3074 Registered: 02-2009 |
BBC | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6125 Registered: 06-2009 |
LOL, Redhawk. Fair enough. How about Channel 4 or Sky News? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6129 Registered: 06-2009 |
The Republicans are politicizing the Trayvon Martin case for political gain: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/28/obama_campaign_republicans_are_politicizing_trayvon_martins_death.html Unbelievable. | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3076 Registered: 02-2009 |
I usually find there's a lot more accurate information, about what's really happening in USA, available from a number of foreign news agencies. Usually they are more of a no spin zone than Bill O'Reiily Regarding the Martin case, something went wrong and then Obama made it worse, so it must be the Republicans fault. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2202 Registered: 09-2009 |
I see a very long hot summer in our future. The winter won't be pretty. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6567 Registered: 09-2009 |
Ok, all kidding aside, here is the typical media spin. This is the pic of Martin that has been circulated and is seven years old:  This is actually a current pic of Martin that is less than a month old!  You tell me, does he look like a punk?!?!?!? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6151 Registered: 06-2009 |
How about the photo at this link: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/second-trayvon-martin-twitter-feed-identified/ | ||
| Redhawk4 Message Board Member Username: Redhawk4 Post Number: 3088 Registered: 02-2009 |
Just like the son Obama never had. I'm not going to make judgements on the Tattoos as that's something I have developed a strong personal dislike for in recent years, but is it normal for 17 year old school kids to have Tattoos in this day and age? | ||
| Red14 Message Board Member Username: Red14 Post Number: 2037 Registered: 02-2009  |
In Florida, you are supposed to have parents permission to get a tattoo before 18. Probably, either his parent(s) approved his tatts or he got them illegally. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2100 Registered: 10-2009 |
NAA, They should use that photo on T.V. of him, but that would be raciest! | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6574 Registered: 09-2009 |
......but in Florida you can marry a 14 year old girl without her parents consent! What a GREAT place! | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2012 |
I hear that foto with the birds was not a pic of the "victim". I think Jon Stewart sometimes does a better job than the news folks. Gone are the days of Walter Chronkite. Anymore I refer to the news people as "talking heads". Another question might be, what if all this and the focus on gas prices etc. was really a ploy to get people off focus of the Healthcare law enactment which will be tantamount to "changing" America as we know it with more control of populace than ever in its history? But, alas, I chase "rabbit trails" and that's another subject. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2216 Registered: 09-2009 |
Yep, that is all it is about. Let's kill a kid to take the eyes off the Health Care Law.... Yep, that IS what it IS. But it would be better if the world was going to end on 12/21/12. | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2012 |
Oh, well, I tried.... | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1242 Registered: 09-2011 |
Just got through watching the news, Their still at it, I mean the blacks are out in force demanding "justice" for innocent little Trevon! They just cannot get it through their heads that there's a possibility that Zimmerman had a justifiable reason to off Trevon! If I had to make a guess, I'd say Zimmerman probably didn't have justification, but I wouldn't convict on a guess! BUT, all these hyped up black people don't know that for sure, but their ready to hang him anyway! This is going to cost big bucks for all the extra protection for Zimmerman when the blacks start storming the jails! Grab your pop corn folks the party is going to get interesting! | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6659 Registered: 09-2009 |
Innocent Trevon....pffft! He was black and he was killed by someone that is not black. That makes his killer wrong. It wouldn't matter if he had a priest in a headlock with a knife at his throat! No need for popcorn we know where this is going. the Left will feed this until it becomes a race war! Thousands rallied in Sanford, Florida today and they said they have been nice and now they are going to kik it up a notch. Looks like another occupy Seattle story. People rally, they get violent and then they get their asses beat by the cops! | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2012  |
didn't read the 100 plus posts but here's my two cents: I WASN'T THERE! it's sad. one is dead, one will never live safely again. whose fault, i don't know. | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1243 Registered: 09-2011 |
Chops, Thanks for agreeing with me mostly, I think you pretty much repeated what I just said. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6666 Registered: 09-2009 |
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| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2238 Registered: 09-2009 |
What Gunr & Chops said. Except there may be some shooting this time. It has been in the works for a long time, might make it this time. | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1244 Registered: 09-2011 |
Maybe it's time for another "Watts" | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2252 Registered: 09-2009 |
It is coming. Just a matter of time. I think it is caused mainly by the media and the government. Folks living together tend to get along. Don't keep telling them they are different and they will forget that they are. They will see more of the insides and less of the outsides of their neighbors. Keep celibrating ethnicity (sp?), keep telling them they are different and they will never get along. Seperate them up in different groups and it is easier to cause trouble between them and control all of them. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6211 Registered: 06-2009 |
This Zimmerman/Martin case is a HUGE distraction during an election year. Many kids have died this spring from violence, yet this incident has captured in the media. It's really crazy. But I have a question--is it hurting or helping Obama and/or Romney? If so, which one and why? I'm trying to determine this myself. Some of those reporting this heavily are the same guys who would be beating up heavily on Romney. Yet at the same time, news stations aren't covering stupid stuff Obama is doing lately. I can see maybe how it's helping, but not really how it's hurting. (Just last night, I heard another person ask why Romney hasn't commented much on this topic. Why should he? Just because much of the nation is obsessed with this story, why should the political candidates be involved? And that includes Obama.) Just wondering what you guys thought. | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1246 Registered: 09-2011 |
It's just a matter of time before someone else gets killed over this! | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 1976 Registered: 10-2010 |
Someone did get killed over this. And there have been other killings since this where hatred has played a role. Why this one garners national attention for this long is anyones guess. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6266 Registered: 06-2009 |
NBC news aplogizes for "error" in editing the now-famous 911 call to make Zimmerman seem more vindictive that he really was. Error. They accidentally edited the tape to be misleading. Yah, they did this on purpose. Did they really think nobody would notice? Idiots. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-issues-apology-on-zimmerman-tape-screw-up/2012/04/03/gIQA8m5jtS_blog.html | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 2767 Registered: 02-2009 |
the photo that was in the news the last few days of the back of Zimmermans head sure looks like he has contusions and abrasion to me. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6272 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hope he went to the doctor for evidence... | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6740 Registered: 09-2009 |
The Paramedics on the scene provided Frst Aid to Zimmerman. He was cleaned up and he went to his house and changed his clothes before he was brought to the station where you see the videos. This is why he looks rather "UN"-disheveled! | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 2000 Registered: 10-2010 |
I'm sick of hearing about the lack of bruises on Mr. Martin as being evidence there was not a fight. In my younger and dumber days I picked a fight in college. I should have won easily. The buddy that I picked it with had about fifty pounds on me but none of it was muscle and I had fought enough in kenpo to figure this was simple. I'm not certain I ever landed a strike and I am certain that he could have pounded me into the dirt. Had he not been a friend he probably would have. Mr. Martin was winning the fight. The lack of injuries to the winner is not a sign of a lack of fight. | ||
| Heyjoe Message Board Member Username: Heyjoe Post Number: 2770 Registered: 02-2009 |
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| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2012 |
media instigated the horror this has become on the national stage. It helped breathe life into it for the purpose of defining race and relations and the changing of laws some liberals do not like in some states. It is really pretty simple. Actually sad and outrageous on all counts. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6283 Registered: 06-2009 |
Correct, this is TOTALLY a media event. It certainly is a tragedy, from both sides, but it doesn't warrant the attention that it has received--at least not more so than other similar events that have happened prior to and since this one. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2140 Registered: 10-2009 |
Did I miss it, or does anyone know what make of firearm and caliber Zimmerman used? | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1255 Registered: 09-2011 |
bud, NAA, with your serial number on it! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6318 Registered: 06-2009 |
I heard on one of the news reports that Zimmerman had a .45--I'm not sure if that was the real caliber, or just the way of some non-gun-savvy person referring to a gun. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6771 Registered: 09-2009 |
It was a Kel-Tec PF9 9mm. He was carrying IWB. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2141 Registered: 10-2009 |
Gunr, Which NAA? | ||
| Gunr Message Board Member Username: Gunr Post Number: 1258 Registered: 09-2011 |
Bud, The one your missing! LOL | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 2017 Registered: 10-2010 |
NBC has apologized for the editing of the 911 tape after enhanced audio indicates the "racist remark" was not really racist at all but the word punk. | ||
| Glenn Message Board Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2011 |
A website to raise money for Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman will be hitting the Internet soon, as his family looks to fund his legal defense and cover their living expenses, his attorneys said. The website "http://zimmermandefense.com/" wasn't live Friday morning and no launch time was specified. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6781 Registered: 09-2009 |
......I am guessing you will not be donating....... | ||
| Glenn Message Board Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 48 Registered: 08-2011 |
I WILL ... IF & WHEN the donation site gets up & running. Maybe even send him some ammo. ~G | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6385 Registered: 06-2009 |
Zimmerman is AWOL and people are SURPRISED? Really? | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6839 Registered: 09-2009 |
Whaaa.....I just saw on the news that he called the Prosecuting attorney and told them that he was definately NOT leaving the country! | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2320 Registered: 09-2009 |
Reparations for Trayvon???? Because the UN says so!!!!!!!!!! http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A656450&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic •••• | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2012 |
Kinda interesting how attorney's who never met the guy thow him "under the bus"? Yep, I would not want guys like that representing me. Interesting too that he spoke to Hannity and he is not speaking about what was said. I still say if they had concrete evidence on him, they would have already arrested him. I know the fella is probably feeling the pressure of being targeted by the likes of the Panthers etc. I too might not talk to anyone either. I just hope the fella does not take the suicide route. | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2012 |
Uncle lee, I have to be concerned about UN involvement considering international institution of possible laws related to "gun control" that may be instituted by the likes of a government that has given up the constitution of the USA in favor of an international gun control court. Is this a first step in the USA to international curtailment and law? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6401 Registered: 06-2009 |
FoxNews is reporting that Zimmerman WILL be charged. No information on WHAT charges, tho. | ||
| Lohman446 Message Board Member Username: Lohman446 Post Number: 2032 Registered: 10-2010 |
I thought we did not indulge in the concept of political prisoners in this nation. The governor called in a special prosecutor to deal with a problem already dealt with on the local level. It sure seems like a political move to me. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6402 Registered: 06-2009 |
This whole thing is political. Today, Eric Holder announced that he is looking into what civil rights Zimmerman violated, apparently in anticipation of the prosecutor not filing charges--yet still no word from Holder about the hate crimes committed by the New Black Panthers against Zimmerman. It's all political. Charges to be filed: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/11/attorneys-for-george-zimmerman-whos-at-center-trayvon-martin-shooting-case-say/ | ||
| Westerly1965 Message Board Member Username: Westerly1965 Post Number: 2519 Registered: 09-2010  |
What a bunch of bulls**t... | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2164 Registered: 10-2009 |
First we have Trayvon Martin, Then we have-- Obama, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, New Black Panther Party, Liberal news media, Then we have George Zimmerman. He will be charged with something, and probably found guilty of something, and he very well be innocent of everything other than a victim of circumstances. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6409 Registered: 06-2009 |
Second degree murder. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 61 Registered: 01-2012 |
^ my guess too. well he's in jail now so i guess we'll find out sooner or later. i for one can't wait to see some real evidence here. just too easy to speculate without knowing ALL the facts. | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6411 Registered: 06-2009 |
That wasn't a guess. I posted that while listening to the announcement live. He's in custody and has been charged. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/11/zimmerman-to-be-charged-by-florida-special-prosecutor-report-says/ | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 62 Registered: 01-2012 |
oh sorry you mistook me. i was saying he will likely be found guilty on that charge. but like i said, i don't know anything cuz i was sittin' in virginia when it happened. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6851 Registered: 09-2009 |
......don't hold your breath. He will be found guilty but it will be a looooong time! Nobody will care when it finally happens. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 64 Registered: 01-2012 |
if o.j. got off, and casey anthony got off, this guy will surely be found not guilty. but zimmerman isnt a famous nfl rb and certainly not a mildly good-looking-large-boobicled woman. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6852 Registered: 09-2009 |
O.J. didn't do it, hs son did and he covered for him, where you been Bro????? | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 65 Registered: 01-2012 |
oh tangent, my fault. chops i think it will be swift to avoid some l.a. riot-style "vengeance." two years tops. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2012 |
his son, kato? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6415 Registered: 06-2009 |
Oh, gotcha, Widow. I'm not so sure--although I think Chopprs could be right: that no one will care by then. Or, they COULD do what they did to the founder of Mitt Romney's church, who was arrested on trumped-up charges in the 1840's: a mob attacked the jail during the night and they shot and killed him. I thought such activity was far in the past and just in old western movies, but thanks to Obama, our world is changing. He told us it would. This is it--these are his changes. Thanks, Mr. O. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2012 |
we'll see. no ill will towards any of you. just my thoughts. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 70 Registered: 01-2012 |
romeny is the mormon guy correct? this is what i know about them: south park clowned them and that neighbors of 20 years were mormon and the greatest neighbors ever! collector i wasn't around with you in the late 1800s (one of those smile face things) | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6858 Registered: 09-2009 |
......vast knowledge you have amassed in your thirty years on this planet! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6416 Registered: 06-2009 |
I'm afraid I wasn't around in the 1800's. Lots of info about what happened is available, tho. Yeah, Romney is LDS, although, really, there hasn't been much coverage on his faith yet, except early on with Perry. I'm guessing the liberal media is saving that up for later in the year and they and Obama plan to pounce on him over it in some sort of bigoted way--and in a way that would be considered unthinkable were they attacking Obama for his race. But we'll see. I thought the South Park Mormon Joseph Smith episode was pretty funny, actually. Of course, as an active member of the LDS Church, I have a completely different conclusion than did that show, but I still enjoyed it. I'm not a big fan of South Park--too crude--but Trey Parker must have grown up near a lot of Mormons in Colorado, because they ("WE") appear in his show often. One of the funniest references was an episode in Heaven, where Kenny or somebody, I forget, points at the Mormons in Heaven, and asks, "Who's that?" And someone says, "Sssshh, that's the Mormons, but they think they're the only ones here." LOL. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 71 Registered: 01-2012 |
i like your style collector. not a negative towards me when i made a clear joke (chops). their is faith in our species afterall. think trey parker went to the infamous littleton highschool. could be wrong. | ||
| Widow420 Message Board Member Username: Widow420 Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2012 |
dammit i wrote their instead of there... shucks, grammar police got me | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2324 Registered: 09-2009 |
I think Zimmerman will be sacrificed so the country don’t burn. Like it is said “Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6”. Well he is going to be tried by 12 and found guilty and get 25 to life. The country can not afford to replace all the cities that would burn. Find him guilty or we start burning……………… I would hate to be on that jury. •••• | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2169 Registered: 10-2009 |
I'm surprised the Neo Nazi's didn't protest when O.J. Simpson was found not guilty of murder. BTW, where was Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson when that happened? | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6429 Registered: 06-2009 |
LOL, thanks Widow. I'm a dedicated Mormon, but I also have a good sense of humor. Ironically, that South Park Episode of Joseph Smith was actually fairly accurate, except for a point here and there and maybe the last 5-10 minutes. I give Trey Parker credit for that. I think he's one of this generation's funniest people--and it's sad that he's wasting his energy on such foul and obscene material. He has a bit of the same problem that Andy Kaufman had, in that he often gets humor and shock confused. Ah well. I'm sure he's a good soul at heart, even if most of the time he's misguided. I think you're right about Littleton High School. I seem to recall hearing that. Thanks for the comments. | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6868 Registered: 09-2009 |
"I am a dedicated Mormon BUT I have a sense of humor?????? ....like other Mormons do not? LOL .....Louie certainly has a sense of Humor, so there is more than one? Sorry man, just saw the cance to rib ya a little! | ||
| Naa_collector Message Board Member Username: Naa_collector Post Number: 6443 Registered: 06-2009 |
There are many Mormons who do not. Some are quite serious and not funny at all. Some take their religion WAY TOO SERIOUSLY--not that it isn't serious for the rest of us, tho. Whatever people may think, Mormons are just regular people, for the most part. (As if that statement isn't uber-obvous!) | ||
| Coopercdrkey Message Board Member Username: Coopercdrkey Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2011  |
Two recent incidents in Gainesville, Florida, in which (sorry to sound racist, but...) groups of black persons shouted "Trayvon" just prior to assaulting a (sorry to sound racist, but....) white person. Details of the first incident escape me, but the second one, just yesterday, involved a black person, out of jail for a very brief period, snatching the purse of a woman eating in an outdoor venue. Her dining partner ran after the purse snatcher, tackled him and was trying to pin him down until police arrived when a group of blacks got involved trying to release the purse snatcher. At least one of them shouted "Trayvon" before the attack. Cops did arrive, the situation was sorted out, and the ex-con is a con again. BTW, the charge he was doing time for? Purse snatching. You can't make this stuff up..... | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2339 Registered: 09-2009 |
Oh stop trying to be politically correct. The truth is not a racist statement. "They" want the truth stopped but we can not let them step on it. http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=4301673%3ABlogPost%3A658352&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post •••• | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2012 |
Uncle Lee that was an interesting article. I had not read that one before. Thank you. | ||
| Roguets1 Message Board Member Username: Roguets1 Post Number: 326 Registered: 09-2011 |
I second Flowder. Very interesting article. Thank you. Nice to see somebody report the true statistics despite the non PC aura involved and cast. | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2012 |
Can someone please explain to me why someone who is being followed and in fear did not call 911 and say, I need the police to come here. I am being followed by someone and need assistance. I believe my life is in danger....? I specifically had this happen in an alley and on a street while being acosted and taunted. I find it interesting that the escalation of life and death happened so quickly. From pursuit to confrontation to combat to life and death. In pursuit phones were used by both. Escalation and aftermath are interesting subjects aside from racial issues etc. | ||
| Bud Message Board Member Username: Bud Post Number: 2182 Registered: 10-2009 |
Very interesting point! | ||
| Chopprs Message Board Member Username: Chopprs Post Number: 6910 Registered: 09-2009 |
.......except that there really is no "Racial" issue! To make the point reverse the roles or assume that they are both Black or both White. It would not change anything. The paid Security person sees someone that he does not recognize in a gated community.......same results any way you put it together! | ||
| Flowder Message Board Member Username: Flowder Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2012 |
There is a new photo of Zimmerman's head taken from an IPAD with blood on it and it was within 3 minutes of the shot. They are saying that it may not be admissible etc. | ||
| Uncle_lee Message Board Member Username: Uncle_lee Post Number: 2384 Registered: 09-2009 |
The "head shot". http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A673567&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic | ||
| Glenn Message Board Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 135 Registered: 08-2011 |
The "Replies" are the good part Lee ! ~G |
